Weak points: The guy is a cry baby. He isn't going to like Mobley and Francis scoring 45 a night combined. He WILL want the ball, and on defense...lets just say he won't be able to guard anyone that isn't a player like him. If a player is stronger than him, he'll get pushed back. If a player is quicker than him, they'll blow by him. He was solid with the rotation D that the Knicks use (everyone is on the current team except Mark Jackson) , but with man D he won't do the job. Strong points: He will be a more effective player than Walt Williams. He can obviously shoot and he can play a little post. Rice can rebound very good when he is guarding people his height. Team outlook: Shandon would fit better on this team. Glen Rice will be more effective than Shandon, but the team would have been more effective with Shandon.
If Rice is that bad against speed players and power players he wouldn't have been in the league this long, putting up the numbers he puts up. Not only is he a prolific scorer, he is a solid rebounder. Again, the Knicks and their fans never got a good look at Rice, He was injured all year long, he was put in an unaccostumed role, and he played in a system that didn't fit him. I used to like Van Gundy, but the guy has a running team and he wants to play slow down, half-court basketball. That not only hurt Rice, but it's hurting Latrell Sprewell, who has got frustrated, is stifling Marcus Camby, and forcing them to shop Othella Harrington, who is a good player but isn't even being used right by the Knicks.
Thanks for the unbiased opinion NYKRule. Enjoy Anderson and all his defense for the next 6 years at $42 million.
NYKRule No, they don't. If a player is stronger than him, he'll get pushed back. If a player is quicker than him, they'll blow by him. I totally agree. If they are smarter, they will finish the NY Times crossword puzzle faster as well. He was solid with the rotation D that the Knicks use (everyone is on the current team except Mark Jackson) , but with man D he won't do the job. How many SFs in the NBA are defensive stoppers? Everybody plays help defense, and Rice will only be more effective with the new rules. Rice will get alot of help on defense from the young Rockets, so I am not too worried. Shandon would fit better on this team. Glen Rice will be more effective than Shandon, but the team would have been more effective with Shandon. Huh? Shandon would be a better fit in the system, but Glen Rice will be more effective in the system? Shandon said he does not fit with the Rockets, and I believe him. Rice will spread the floor for the young kids to slash, and trail the break for some open 3s. I think he will fit well. If you don't believe, ask Rudy T.
Typical New York sports fan mentality...and trust me, i listen to it all day on WFAN in NY so I know what it is when I see it. NYKRule is probably a little upset that the Knicks just signed a guy who will play 15 minutes a game to a 42 million dollar contract. I guess I'd be upset too if Scott Layden took over the Rockets and tried to turn them into the Utah Jazz by trading for Eisley and Shandon.
Wow, you have an unbelievable grasp of the obvious. Isn't that the case with 100% of the other NBA players out there?
Some thoughts after mulling "the deal" for a few days: o SA @ $7 million/yr vs. Rice @ $9 million/yr....no contest. Rice. not even close. Look at their track records o The Knicks seriously overpaid for a fringe starter o The Knick's "slug" offense will nullify what few open court offensive skills SA has o Rice will bring serious offense and credible rebounding. He presents a fourth scoring option for Rox; how many teams have that luxury? o Rockets will integrate him into offense as instant starter and devise ways to optimize his skills; he actually replaces two players - SA and Bull. He is perfect for new "zone" rules. o We badly need a seasoned veteran...he brings a credible voice and a ring.
[SOAPBOX] People, give the guy a break. He was making pros and cons for Glen Rice, as well as offering a subjective opinion. Granted, he may have certain biases being from NY (at least, I'm assuming he's from there), but I doubt you can honestly say that you (or even I) don't have biases towards the Rockets. We're each entitled to our opinions, unless you post useless crap that only serves to infuriate others, a la Garageman. Granted, the Knicks suck, their payroll is atrocious, and their player personnel moves are questionable at best. Knock the franchise, not the fan. Differing opinions are okay in my book, because groupthink is baaaaaaad. Groupthink, coined by Irving Janis, for those who don't know, means "a mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive in-group, when the member's striving for unanimity override their motivation to realistically appraise alternative courses of action." If you need a good example of groupthink, look no further than the Challenger space shuttle mission disaster. Not all people think the Glen Rice trade is good for the Rockets. Let them speak, even if they're Knicks fans (and trust me, I live in NYC, so I know the type very well). Unwavering loyalty to CD and RT is all well and good, but if you go too far with blind faith, you approach groupthink. FYI: Here's a simple link to a further explanation of groupthink. Here's one to an analysis of the Challenger disaster. Allow users to play devil's advocate. If they're wrong, make a counterpoint, and then let them shoot one back. Differing opinions are what make this forum fun. Let's avoid groupthink. [/SOAPBOX]
People keep saying Rice 9 million a year, but then you see 20 million / 3 years... Shandon signed for 7 million per, if Rice is 20mil/3 years... he's less!
I don't see any "group think" occurring about this trade. All I see are people arguing about the merits of the trade, with no concensus. I think you got up on your soapbox for no good reason.
I wouldn't say it is a group thinking that is going around and trying to crush other's thinkings. Debate is good. But some of the things he says came out wrong. My post pointed out how I felt, I didn't take any shots at the guy or anything. As for comparing the people that disagree with NYKRule to the people reacting to the explosion of a space shuttle that killed people and changed lives, I don't even want to know where you are going with that. Don't you think if there were "group thinking" like you're accusing the people who disagree with NY in this thread, that we would have asked for him to be banned, took personal shots at him, and then put him on ignore? If you look at his pros and cons, his pros were as negative as his cons! <b>Not all people think the Glen Rice trade is good for the Rockets. Let them speak, even if they're Knicks fans (and trust me, I live in NYC, so I know the type very well). Unwavering loyalty to CD and RT is all well and good, but if you go too far with blind faith, you approach groupthink. </b> If you look at the post, everytime someone disagrees with the trade someone responds in support of the trade, but when someone posts in support of the trade, the people who don't agree with it also post. It's give or take. So you're saying if people like the trade it's "blind faith" in CD and RT and "group thinking", but if you don't agree with the trade it's just a differing opinion!? I like the trade not because of "blind faith" in CD and Rudy, but because I think Rice is a good player and fits the team. I actually didn't agree with the deal at first, but came around after thinking about it.
Yes. NYKRule was doing exactly that (arguing the merits of the trade). Then, people bashed him for it. Maybe I did get on my soapbox for no good reason. Maybe I'm just having a bad day at work. I don't know. I just think that some people are quick to lash out at others merely because their opinions are different (or, God forbid, they like another team). Granted, this is a Houston Rockets forum, but we shouldn't suffer from xenophobia. BTW, the whole Challenger thing was merely an example of groupthink for those who didn't understand the concept. I was in no way comparing the Rockets to the space shuttle tragedy.
Is there a rule against having the same sig ? I love that quote, and I'm not sure I want to wait around for NYK to make another stoopit post.
I never said that. I just don't like people dismissing what others have to say (and bashing them) merely because their opinion is different. If you like the trade, great. Just make sure your justification isn't "because CD is the greatest man alive and can never do wrong." If that is your opinion, well, okay, I guess, but don't use that as your argument against someone else. If someone came here and merely wrote, "Francis sux. Knicks in da house!!!", and never gave a valid reason for why they wrote what they did, I would dismiss that message as the useless crap it is (the work of a troll). As I wrote before, some people just like to get a rise out of others. I've definitely been guilty of insulting those who get me mad. However, when it comes to rational debate, I just hate it when others are disrespectful. And I don't necessarily mean in this thread. Is that so wrong?
I have to agree with VS...While certain responses to NYK's post were just differing opinions, others were knee-jerk reactionism, citing his geographic location for his lack of credibility...And while some of the dissenters didn't take "shots" some certainly did, for example the one awaitng his "next stoopid post"...And believe me, I used to have to go to NY for work, and I have little love for the place...But I have noticed when people whose "Names" indicate that they are from other cities, or fans of other teams enter posts praising the Rockets or their personel moves they are applauded for their "objectivity" and for "providing different perspectives"...but when they are at all critical of the Rockets or a certain move, they are immediately hit with posts advising them to go to their own site, or accusing them of being biased based on where they live, etc...This is the type of thing more farmiliar to ESPN posters, and I think we're usually more of a class act in here...
