I'd like to see Houston trade Williams for a more effective SF (or McIllvaine or Ervin Johnson), but Murray is not an improvement. Derek Anderson, who is a free agent this summer, would be an improvement.
Thanks but no thanks! Ervin Johnson, Mclavaine? Where trying to improve here! We need more for Walt Williams. More then Tracy Murray I am sorry! I'll trade Thomas Hamilton for him sure. We need to rebuild not get older ok?
I kind of like ERvin Johnson or even Jim McIlvaine (he's big and a rebounder, right?)for Walt and let Matt Bullard and Carlos Rogers share duting at SF. Could we get one of those guys straight up for Walt - who, as Rockets luck dictates lately, will become his old self should he go to another team? I would take that trade but I would keep Walt over Tracy Murray. Don't know why - he didn't show me much as a Rocket that half season or so that he was here. We need all the big men we can get the way they are falling. I really like Thomas Hamilton and think he contributes. Just having a big body out there helps, and he is more than that. He deserves a shot and I would like to keep him.
http://cbs.sportsline.com/u/ce/multi/0,1329,1713846_54,00.html How about it guys? Walt Williams (the Wizard) to the Wizards for Tracy Murray. Murray wants to leave the Wizards and giving up Walt in itself is addition by subtraction, not to mention getting a much better one dimensional player in Murray who can actually shoot. A guy which Rudy also made big, as the throw in, in the Drexler trade. This one's high on my Christmas list.
BryceDrewFan, I'm sure you've been watching the same games we have, soooo.... Why exactly do you think Walt Williams is worth more than a Tracy Murray the way they've been playing? And... we'd be getting younger if we got Murray, not older. Murray turned 28 in July, Williams will be 30 in April. Also, from looking at their stats, they're almost identical players. Neither plays D, to boot. So if there's any reason you wouldn't want to do the trade, it would probably be because of "internal problems", otherwise you're not gaining much in doing it. I'm not sure if there are "behind-the-scenes" stuff going on I don't know about where Walt's causing problems, so... who knows. CaucasionSensation said that we're getting a better one-dimensional player who can actualy shoot. Hmmm, I don't see it. In 20 games this season : Williams FG% : 39.5% Murray FG% : 40.7% Williams 3pt FG% : 32.6% Murray 3pt FG% : 31.5% Williams FT% : 87.5% Murray FT% : 81.5% Williams Rebs : 3.1 Murray Rebs : 2.7 Williams Minutes : 29.1 Murray Minutes : 18.1 I just don't see what we get... sorry. ------------------ Rocket fuel pumps through these veins... [This message has been edited by Dr of Dunk (edited December 11, 1999).]
I haven't looked at last years numbers but I think currently this would be about as even a deal as could be. I'm not pushing it's just a concept.
CaucasionSensation, That's what I'm saying. Why do you make a trade if there is no upside for your team? You then get a new guy you have to fit in without significantly improving your team any. The only reason you'd even consider making this trade is because they're having personal problems with Walt, but I'm not sure that's even true. I don't know if you guys remember when Murray played here, but Murray was the absolute worst defending forward I have ever seen in my life. The guy could not move and made Walt look like a defensive "Wiz". There's a reason why someone with the shooting ability of a Tracy Murray is always a bench player no matter where he goes... he can't play D... period! ------------------ Rocket fuel pumps through these veins...
CaucasionSensation, BTW, based on last year's numbers you wouldn't make the trade. Williams' numbers shooting-wise are far better than Murray's. ------------------ Rocket fuel pumps through these veins...
CabbageHead, Believe me, I know how lethal he WAS from 3pt land and as an outside shooter for about 2 or 3 years. From around 95-97 he was a good scorer, however, what people haven't realized is that this year and last year, his 3 pt shooting has been horrific. Last year he hit 32% and this year's he's under 30% barely. Something's definitely lost in his game. I know he doesn't like it in Washington, but if his reaction is to completely fall apart like that, I sure don't want him. You did mention one thing that I hadn't thought of, however. Walt's taking up $5 million of our cap space. From what I could find, Murray is making $17 mill over 7 years and 2003 is his last year. Not sure if it would work salary-wise. Even that said, I don't think it's worth it. Walt has better mobility, is a better ball-handler, and is shooting better at this point in their careers (yes, and despite all that, still sucks at this point). I still say a trade for Murray and giving up Walt does absolutely nothing for this team. ------------------ Rocket fuel pumps through these veins...
Garbage in, garbage out. Neither player can ever rise above that of a role player. As for this deal, it does nothing for me or the Rockets. DaDakota
Dr of Dunk I am not endorsing Tracy Murray or anything, but he is not the same player that came to Houston along with Clyde Drexler in '95. It's similar to the Sam Mack situation. When Tracy was here, he was pretty much a scrub who played the 4th quarters of garbage games. When he left Houston [ala Sam] and got more playing time, he got a chance to further develop his game. He is not having much of a year this year, but he has impressed from downtown in recent years. I would certainly make a deal like this so that I could unload the final years of Walt's $5 million contract.
