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Point of Bush's Speech at the UN?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Sep 20, 2006.

  1. glynch

    glynch Member

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    The guy acted like he was addressing a group of carefully vetted supporters as he ususually only does. People worldwide and especaily Muslims who he calls Islamofascists hate the guy and with reason. It was especially wierd for him to be attempting to speak directly to the people of Mid East countries. Lebanon, where he with great effort prolonged the Israeli bombing as he struggled against a call for a cease fire. Iraq, as his policies have created a mess and he has encouraged Abu Graib, mass arrests and waterboarding. Iran as he has repeatedly threatened to invade and even nuke them.

    My question is who is the speech directed at? Surely, even if Bush was self deluded, his advisors could not have expected the Muslim people in these countries, assuming they even know of the speech to react like his gullible fans.

    Is it just part of an election in November blitz to show how he is tall in the saddle as his self proclaimed ruler of the world? Is it just customary for the president to talk to the UN and Bush will be Bush, what else could he do? What? I though the speech was just too wierd.
     
  2. Rocket River

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    What is Waterboarding?

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  3. RocketMan Tex

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    I was channel surfing yesterday, and actually stopped for a moment on Fox News ( :eek: ).

    They had Dubya's former speechwriter, I believe it was David Frum, analyzing Bush's UN speech.

    They asked him what the significance of the speech was.

    He replied that the speech represents the total failure of Bush's Iran policy.

    I was shocked. How could the White House Media Office let that one slip through??

    :confused: :D
     
  4. vlaurelio

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    http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/09/20/chavez.un.ap/index.html
     
  5. mc mark

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    The speech was clearly aimed at the Nov. elections and the effort to reverse the turning away of the American electorate.

    It had nothing to do with swaying world opinion. When has he ever cared for world opinion?
     
  6. glynch

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    Waterboarding is a technique in which they poor water onto the mouth of a blindfolded man making him choke and think he is drowning. Apparently he doesn't actually drown, but struggles continually to prevent drowning. It has long been considered a form of torture outlawed by most international conventions, but naturally Bush has reinstated it.
     
  7. glynch

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    That is wierd for David Frum. Also wierd that Fox aired it. I bet it was yanked after you saw it. Maybe Fox like many Republican politicians is running from the addled Dubya to try to retain credibility.
     
  8. rhadamanthus

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    Well you could have it worse.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucru/200609...C6wZc2VLyL9wxIF;_ylu=X3oDMTA0cDJlYmhvBHNlYwM-
     
  9. Aceshigh7

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    I'm all for torturing terrorists and those that support them. We should torture them for information. And we should torture them for the hell of it.

    My only concern is bleeding heart libs back home like yourself that are trying to hamstring us in dealing with these people. Do you think that these people we're dealing with care anything about the Geneva convention?

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  10. halfbreed

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    You guys must never watch Fox News and just accept what you're told about it.

    Anyone who watches FNC on a REGULAR basis will tell you that they're not as gung-ho Bush as some of you portray them.
     
  11. mc mark

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    Hey ace

    None of those guys would have died if it weren't for Bush's war.
     
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  12. BenignDMD

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    Off Topic, but I saw Bush in NYC Monday. He was staying at the Waldorf Astoria on Lexington. I was staying across the street and he rolled by in his procession of limos. It was pretty crazy all weekend there. FBI agents, NYPD, and Secret Service everywhere! Not to mention the snipers on the roof of quite of a few buildings in the area.
     
  13. Aceshigh7

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    Gee, that's funny. Daniel Pearl was murdered in February 2002. The only "war" at the time was the war on terror, in which they fired the first shot, not us. I guess you think we should have just sat back and done nothing after 9-11.

    Maybe you should change your post to say "None of those guys would have died if it weren't for Bin Laden and his islamofascist sycophants."
     
  14. cmiller

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    You are obviously not a veteran nor do you care about the troops.
     
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    Interesting...What did Bush mean by the bolded part of the article?

    An evening with Ann… and Lynn

    Sunday, September 17, 2006, 04:45 PM
    The Atlanta Journal-Constitution


    http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/sh.../2006/09/17/an_evening_with_ann_and_lynn.html

    Ann Coulter’s dinner speech to the Georgia Christian Coalition Saturday night was one of the year’s hot tickets for conservatives – even before an after-dinner appeal to open up checkbooks to pay for this year’s voter guide, the coalition had raised over $150,000 from the event, according to state chairman Sadie Fields.

    No doubt the sharp-tongued conservative author was the star of the show, as evidenced by the long line that formed for a book-signing afterwards. But on a night with no hecklers to egg her on, she wasn’t the newsiest item on the program.

    First, Coulter found herself in the uncharacteristic position of being upstaged by her introducer, Mike Gallagher.

    He told the audience he was fresh back from an hour-and-45-minute session which President Bush held in the Oval Office Friday afternoon with him and four other conservative talk show hosts: Atlanta’s Neal Boortz, Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity and Michael Medved. Rush Limbaugh couldn’t make it, he said.

    Though he said this session was supposed to be off the record, Gallagher described it at some length, including Bush’s observation to the right-wing radio jocks that the War on Terror has to be about right versus wrong, “because if it’s about Christianity versus Islam, we’ll lose.”

    “Remind me never to invite you to an off-the-record session,” Coulter said after his introduction.


    Coulter spoke mostly about the long court battle over abortion, a safe subject for the audience, but one that reminded listeners that Coulter was a lawyer before she became a bomb thrower. She saved her freshest barb of the evening for the last question from the audience: She referred to the Republican senators who defied Bush over the rules for interrogating terrrorist suspects as “the al-Qaeda contingent.”

    It’s that kind of political incorrectness that people come to hear when Coulter speaks. Her most recent book, “Godless: the Church of Liberalism,” makes her a seeming natural for religious conservative groups, but it isn’t the easiest fit.

    On television, Coulter plays off her seeming closeness to the elitist culture she criticizes, with her finishing-school accent and Upper West Side couture.

    “In respect to my gay male friends, I’ll resist the temptation to call this an attempt to force gay marriage down our throats,” she said Saturday night.

    Her audience laughed, but with what seemed a noticeable squirm, at lines like that. One speaker who did seem to know his audience was Rep. Lynn Westmoreland, and for those of us who keep an eye on the local scene that may have been the most notable thing about the evening.

    Rep. Tom Price and Rep. Phil Gingrey both spoke at the dinner, but Westmoreland, one of the Republicans eyeing the 2010 governor’s race, got two speaking spots, including a pitch for contributions to the voter-guide fund after Coulter’s speech.

    House Speaker Glenn Richardson, another ’10 mentionable, wasn’t at the dinner, for whatever you make of that. And come to think of it, we didn’t see Ralph Reed.
     
  16. mc mark

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    I guess one out of three ain't bad.
     
  17. Aceshigh7

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    What an ignorant thing to say.

    I'm not a veteran but I care about our troops. Hate to break it to you but I have several friends & coworkers that have served in Iraq & Afghanistan and most of them feel as I do.
     
  18. Aceshigh7

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    Yea. Better luck next time you try to make an ignorant statement. Maybe the facts won't get in the way again.
     
  19. mc mark

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    "sigh"

    I think you missed the point cowboy.

    But that's understandable.
     
  20. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Morality and the law can be such tedious things when you're trying to torture information out of suspected terrorists. Tsk tsk.
     

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