lol When folx use to talk about CAT and Francis in this way they got waylaid around here I just hold Carr to the same standard that is all Rocket River
Are you Carr's younger brother? Seriously, I also admit he's improved, a little, but man, he has a lot of bad habits and always will...Some of it is coaching from the previous regime, but a lot of it is Carr...I'm not holding him to a higher standard, I just want him to make good decisions and be consistent, what you'd expect from a 5th year QB...Carry on...
he is making good decisions, so far. he hasn't thrown an interception yet. i'm not telling you carr is a world-beater. and i still say the QB rating stat has lost all meaning for me. but the whole, "he doesn't make good decisions" hasn't proven true in the limited sample size of the 2006 season.
To me the real way to tell how much of the problem is Carr is to list the players from best to worst on the team. Carr would be one of the top 5, and that's not because he's so great but because the rest of the team is so terrible. Basically there's a lot more for this team to worry about other than Carr, and replacing him before the rest of the team is improved isn't going to make much difference.
most people complain about Carr not making right decisions but his QB rating says differently, he is completing passes and not throwing interceptions. you guys are asking for Carr to get in people face etc...imagine the scrutiny the o-line is already in, it would only make things worse for carr to get on their case..they know what they have to do, they just cant hes been dropped more than any other qb in the league since he has entered, and hes gotten up everytime, that must mean something...and im sure the players see that when given time to throw, hes has gotten alot better, he does try to speed up because he doesnt trust his protection and I dont see why he should if he knew he was being protected, the offense would be running alot better you cant judge him as a 5th year qb on this team. He hasnt had any luxury on the o-line....you want him to pick up the blitz etc...have you seen how long he has when the blitz comes, he has no other option but to get sacked (most of the time) he is in a lose lose situation with most critics/fans...he throws the ball away and some will say hes not a good qb, theres nothing special, not trying to lead his team and make a play..or he gets sack and they say he should have done something with the play you dont want a qb (in carrs situation) to start throwing the ball away when the blitz comes,,,bad things happen..cb's will feast on that
i'm with you on this...if he were to get up in players' faces and start screaming at them...particularly offensive linemen...i think that wouldn't play well at all. i don't see that helping. and i don't remember seeing the guys who we all label as great leaders doing that. it's the guys like marino who i remember doing that...and it was one of the reasons i never liked that guy.
OK, please indulge me here: In 1971, the professional football team in Houston located as the Oilers drafted a young strong armed QB out of Santa Clara named Dan Pastorini. From the WiKipedia: "He was part of a prized trio of college quarterbacks taken with the top 3 picks that year, Jim Plunkett (1st - Heisman Trophy Winner) and Archie Manning (2nd) being the others. Pastorini was known as a tough quarterback throughout his career. From 1971 through 1979, Pastorini missed only 5 regular season games, playing through the pain of broken ribs and even a punctured lung at times. He did not play behind what would be considered a quality offensive line until 1977 when they hired Joe Bugel, who later became famous for coaching the Washington Redskins' offensive line in the 1980's, which were known as "The Hogs." I was living in Houston at that time and I can verify that fact about the so-called offensive line. Remember, in those days, none of the rules to protect the QB existed and defensive players were free to club, spear, bodyslam the QB. Pastorini took a horrendous beating for 6 - count 'em SIX years. It's a miracle that the guy can go to the bathroom by himself today. For Dan, things did not turn around until Joe Bugel rebuilt the Oiler O-line and in 1978 when then coach Bum Phillips drafted the Heisman winner - a running back out of Texas named Earl Campbell. That year, Pastorini led the Oilers to playoff victories against the Dolphins and Patriots. The Oilers record for his first 6 years: 1971 - 4-9-1 1972 - 1-13 1973 - 1-13 1974 - 7-7 (Bum Phillips takes over) 1975 - 10-4 1976 - 5-9 1977 - 8-6 The parallels between what happened to Pastorini and Carr are downright eerie. Both were highly talented athletically gifted young QBs who never quite "reached" their "full potential". Both were forced to play behind nonexistent O-lines. Both were sacked mercilessly with Pastorini getting busted ribs and a punctured lung. Most importantly, both were/are considered to be failures because of their ineffectiveness in leading their teams to wins. For that matter, even Jim Plunkett was considered to be a "bust" at New England (he'd become a career backup) until he resurrected his career at the Raiders where he led them to win the 1980 Super Bowl. My point here is that it takes more talent and ability for a QB to be a success - it also takes the right team environment. Neither Pastorini nor Carr (or Plunkett) enjoyed such a luxury when they came into the league and the results speak for themselves. You just don't take a QB with potential and then throw him to the wolves in the manner that Pastorini and Carr were and expect them to somehow, someway transcend the madness and succeed. I just feel that it's not too late for Carr to turn this thing around but he'll need time to pull himself back from the abyss. Now he may never make it, but he (and Kubiak) deserve a chance to try. If anyone is to blame here, it should be McNair who went along with an incompetent coaching staff in allowing this situation to happen. To his credit, he did sack the whole lot of them and looks to have made a good decision on hiring Kubiak. Only time will tell but when you are as bad as the Texans are, time is all that you have left.
I don't blame them. I'd waylay you too if I saw you start talking about Francis and Cuttino scoring significant touchdowns.
Wow, it's always easier to make him the scapegoat for all the franchise's woes than say 1. We never built a real offensive line around him or the guys we did bring in via FA were scrubs ala Todd Wade. 2. RB position has only been solidified since DD is on the field, unfortunately has longevity issues. 3. WR position only this year did the Texans get someone who can take the pressure off AJ and spread the field. 4. TE, a forgotten position under the Capers regime. Just now realizing they can catch the ball. 5. Has had no control over how pathetic the defense has consistently played. Yes his play has been inconsistent, yours would be too if you could rarely complete an offensive call without getting killed. Imagine how good DD will actually be when he has a REAL offensive line to work with. Imagine how good Carr potentially could be when he has confidence his line will actually form a pocket. But no, fadeaway, lets just throw him and the rest of this sorry organization under the bus. Your analysis is grossly without merit and is unjustified. If at mideseason, we see no appreciable improvement overall in Carr's performance, then you may have a point. But dont look now but, he is beginning to do a few things good accidentally. Good luck with your color commentary career. You'd make John Madden sound expressive. Scary thought.
Wow, what a scary parallel? Did not know this aspect about Pastorini just always heard his lack of ability cost the Oilers chances at Super Bowls and that he sucked. Thanks for that insight. Hmmm ... then maybe just maybe Carr's career is resuscitatable, huh? Much to the chagrin of some on here who would rather have this team do a complete makeover top to bottom every other week. Truly what geniuses they are. They know more than Kuby, who only was one of the most intelligent QBs ever in the NFL just did not have the ability Elway had but was definitely serviceable when called on.
Hmmm, that must prove the point that football is a TEAM sport and that it truly takes a TEAM to WIN! Example, Tom Brady, solid OL, devastating defense and Corey Dillon equals Super Bowl champs. No TEAM, no WIN. Example, David Carr, sh*tty OL, pathetic defense and inconsistent overall RB play equals loserville. Fascinating the comparison, isnt it?
