Rumsfeld Threatened to Fire Staff Who Talked About Needing A Post-war Plan

thanks for posting gifford.

explosive article really. Providing there's any truth to these claims about Rumsfeld, then there are some serious issues there that need to be addressed.

As usual it creates more questions, while we continue to get no answers from the Bush Administration on many other serious problems.

 

I'm waiting for the smear campaign directed at this brave soldier... brave because he spoke out. They'll probably find a Democrat somewhere in his family background. A grandfather who was an FDR supporter in the (gasp!) '30's, or some other absurd thing.

Yes, it is a damning charge, but totally unsurprising to a lot of us. Another thanks from me, gif, for posting it. The mystery of why Rumsfeld remains in office continues.



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I have disliked Rumsfeld from day 1....the guy is too dogmatic to be in government.

Cheney and Rumsfeld are worse than Bush....and Bush is really bad...

Vote democrat.

DD

 

Nothing wrong with that, my father thought highly of him and Truman...What would be wrong is the different types of democrats we have today with the failure mindset as exemplified by Clinton for 8 years regarding counter terrorism and the results of such...

 

Remember Rumsfeld was the guy who made Sadam an ally and gave Sadam biochemical weapons in the first place.

I cannot stand his arrogance.

 

Has he commented on this yet? This seems almost impossible to believe really.

 

What would be wrong is the different types of republicans we have today with the I'm never wrong mindset as exemplified by Bush and Cheney for 5 years regarding counter terrorism and the results of such

 

I'm quite in agreement with the post 9/11 mindset...His speech demonstrated that very well in addition.

The results of ineptitude after WTC attack '93 all the way to the final WTC attack speak for themselves...8 years of a failure mindset. Can we afford another 3000+ deaths? the post 9/11 mindset should have happened in 1993...It did not...

We all know who to thank for that...

 

ROX, of course there isn't anything wrong with it. What you apparently fail to see, my friend, is that what you are doing now is exactly the same thing I'm talking about... the vilification of a very large number of people based on spurious, distorted bull****. Why aren't you calling for Rumsfeld's head? Do you honestly think that FDR or Truman would have put up with this fool's incompetence for a New York minute? Think about it. How many years of excuses, failures, and dead and maimed bodies, due to that idiot's decisions, and his President's insistence to keep him running things, does it take before you wake up and smell the coffee?

WHY do people keep making excuses for the mistakes of this group surrounding Bush, and Bush himself, when it didn't have to be this way? How many Americans have to die and be maimed before you people stand up and say enough? Never mind that the tens of thousands of Iraqis, and those of the few allies we have in theatre, have suffered the same.

Our people are fighting and dying in Iraq, and they didn't have to be. And if they were going to be there, why does the fact that the senior people, right up until the curtain dropped on this nightmare, who said that we didn't have enough boots on the ground, and didn't have a freakin' post-invasion plan, which, in my freakin' opinion, would have produced a very different result, get pushed aside, and those responsible for this ****-up continue to run things and receive praise from our freakin' President?

Why?



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If I may say so, not being from the US, I also think Rumsfeld and Cheney are no good.

 

Rumsfeld was Cheney's boss in the Ford Administration. Two peas from the same pod. They were also the only two who opposed the legislation to strengthen the Freedom of Information Act as a result of the Watergate. Even then they were into deception and lying to the public.

 

Deckard, you know I like you for some strange reason and if I met you I'd give you a hug and talk about other things then politics (for the 1st hour )...Honestly, I do not care for Rumsfeld, and I feel even a Truman or FDR wouldn't have put up with him...

My reasoning is based on the results of looking ahead in Iraq to which he failed...I believe Iraq was right, but the tactics have lacked under Rumsfield...I also didn't appreciate his response of you fight with the army you have comment...that bothered me...You should constantly look to improve weapons, tactics, and equipment...

I have said in the past the few things I agree with Bush is the post 9/11 mindset, but his appointments have been poor with Brown, and Rumsfeld...Surely there is someone smarter than Rumsfeld that can look downroad better...IMO, he has hurt the post 9/11 tactics somewhat by being shortsighted...This is a shame, because I fully believe in the post 9/11 mindset as you know...

No,... I agree Deckard with you to a large degree on Rumsfeld...I'm being genuine here.

 

Bush's mindset after 9/11, especially on Iraq, was all wrong.

 

what does iraq had to do with 911 again?

who could have done a better jon in iraq?

its one thing to find someone smart.. but it doesn't assume he/she will agree with it.. for example colin powell he would have been competent/smart enough but I don't he was 100% willing to because he did not agree 100% with it..

 

Yeah, these two guys are MUCH worse.

 

It was all wrong?

Nevermind that you may be against the Patriot Act which helps connect the dots on threats and dangers such as those that led to 9/11...better to not know what blows you to pieces, huh?...Nevermind that you may be steadfast completely against the NSA wiretaps, so you don't know why/what overseas terrorists are discussing with those here in the United States...

You state the Dept. of Homeland Security is wrong with better communication between law enforcement and intelligence then before...You further state enhanced airport security with air marshals, and more deliberate inspection is all wrong...

The more detailed procedures on VISA acceptance and regulation is all wrong too, huh? Why make it harder for those who want to come here and harm us?...

To say Bush's post 9/11 mindset and derived tactics and actions is "all wrong" speaks very poorly from you...Do you live in the U.S.? Perhaps you don't care...If so please state that, and I will understand better...

 

I have not heard anybody against the NSA program say they are against gathering surveillance and wiretapping phone calls between terrorists overseas and residents of the U.S. If you have other information please provide it.

Most of the previsions of the Patriot Act are fine. Only those which violate the rights granted us by the constitution are wrong. Upholding the constitution and our rights should be foremost for citizens and public officials who have sworn to do so.

There is nothing that shows that tracing library records or any of the other controversial pieces of the Patriot Act would have helped stop 9/11 or any other terroist act.

 

That is what he said when he said Bush was "all wrong" ...Don't give me your piece meal crap...Either Bush is all wrong, or specify your bullcrap!

 

I was arguing about your statements that being against Bush's NSA program which was ruled unconstitutional means that a person is against listening into terrorists talking to people in the United States, which isn't true at all.