I believe these are from EB/GS: Wii PS3 Here are the sources BTW: http://www.gamersreports.com/news/3600/ http://www.gamersreports.com/news/3601/ Again, these are early lists from retailers, so don't think that is all set in stone, especially the release dates (particularly for the Wii). Just use these for a general idea on "launch window" games for both systems. For comparison, here's a link to an early (earlier than this even) list for the 360 from EB: http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/641/641086p1.html
Those look like EB/GS reports, for sure. But while PS3 list looks like it has all the SCE games, it looks like the Wii list is missing all the Nintendo first party stuff. Off the top of my head, I believe that Metroid Prime: Corruption was scheduled for launch, along with all the Wii Sports stuff.
Yeah, I think someone mentioned that if Nintendo told retailers what games to expect and when, they'd indirectly be giving the Wii's release date (Nintendo will ship Zelda, Metroid, Wii sports, etc., on xx/xx...hmm?). Sony already announced when the PS3 will launch, so they can give shipping dates without worrying about leaking the PS3 launch date I guess.
I'm having a hard time trying to figure out which next gen console I should buy, I'm deciding between PS3 and Wii. I'll list my pros and cons for each and maybe RC or others can help me with my choice. I obviously want really good graphics to go along with good games. Wii Pros: 1. $200-$250 Price tag. 2. Very interesting controller concept that could be really fun. 3. Ability to download old games (HUGE pro IMO). I'll play a ton of old games. Wii Cons: 1. Supposedly the graphics won't be as good as PS3 or 360. 2. Controller concept could be a bust. 3. Kid games...this ruined GC for me. PS3 Pros: 1. Graphics. 2. PS2 had a lot of great games and I think PS3 will follow suit. 3. On-line, I like to play on-line a lot and PS3 offers a lot of online games and for free as well. PS3 Cons: 1. $600???!!! That is a crapload of money to spend on a console, especially since I should be steering away from video games as I get older. 2. $600???!!! 3. $600???!!!
I think people are overrating the price of the PS3, especially if you plan on playing online The xbox 360 premium is 400. The PS3 (premium) also has wireless capabilities built in, 40 gigs more space, and free internet service. A wireless adapter (Microsofts) is $100. Lets just say an additional 40-50 bucks for the extra space. And plus an Xbox Live Gold membership costs $50 bucks for a year. Even if you dont care about the wireless device for 100, and probably could use something much cheaper instead of Microsoft's product, if you are going to be using these consoles for 2-3+ years, the internet fees would already add up and the price is the same, if not cheaper, in the long run.
Well...I'm not just saying its expensive compared to the 360, $600 is quite a bit of money for a video game console. And like I said, I'm not sure I want to spend that type of money as I'm getting older.
Is there a reason you are limiting your console choice to only the PS3 or the Wii? At this point I'd be more tempted by the 360 than the other 2. The 360 already has an okay selection of games and is going to start getting their AAA games coming out soon. PS3 ... as you said, it'll cost $$$ plus their better games wont come out for a year or so. I would hold off at least a year after launch to get the least buggy system, wait for a price reduction, and wait for a better game library to choose from. Wii ... I don't trust Nintendo to deliver the goods. Yes they will have some solid titles, but I don't really feel like forking out 200+ for what is basically a controller and online stuff(already have the roms btw). I already have a GC and don't think the improved GC will be worth enough to shell out the $$$ for the system, another controller or 2, and another library of games. Maybe when that system hits a hundred or something. Right now I'm choosing to flesh out my PS2 and GC collections(still plenty of games I have yet to get), and wait for one of the 360 or Ps3 to "win" my vote. I'm hoping it's the 360, but betting that it'll end up being the ps3.
I guess you could consider me a Wii supporter, but still...there's no "supposedly" about it. The Wii graphics are HORRIBLE on the whole so far. Hardly any of the games shown so far can even pass as original XBox quality. Here are some examples of what the better games look like at this point... http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/728/728410/red-steel-20060825041617558.jpg http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/710/710911/super-smash-bros-brawl-20060601051042375.jpg http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360...timate-alliance-attacks-20060427105350606.jpg http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/a...zelda-twilight-princess-20060823081802190.jpg It honestly took me more than 30 minutes to even find pictures that look that decent. Meanwhile, it took me about 3 minutes to find these for PS3... http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/720/720196/the-darkness-20060721014033690.jpg http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/a...o-presents-stranglehold-20060522031154105.jpg http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/704/704556/turok-20060503002628342.jpg http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/707/707584/haze-20060529031309923.jpg http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/709/709332/unreal-tournament-2007-20060519004742439.jpg Seriously man, it's not even close. If graphics are extremely important to you, then don't even bother getting a Wii. I hate to say it, but that's the way it's looking. I'm starting to get really pissed off that the Wii games look THIS bad in comparison. If Nintendo sells it for more than $199, then they're really taking everybody to the cleaners because they're basically selling everyone a Gamecube with a new controller and free Wi-Fi internet. That's not worth more than $199 to me.
Do you REALLY want to get one at launch? My idea was to stick with my PC, PS2, and PSP for about another 6-12 months after launch. By that time, the decision would be a little easier (although I'm already pretty sure I want a PS3 just due to the games coming out), plus there might even be a price cut on one or both of those consoles (especially if Sony starts having problems with demand after the first 5-6M units sold). CriscoKidd's philosophy has rubbed off on me. You listed some things you wanted from your next console, so I'll try to address those: Graphics: This isn't going to be happening for the Wii...there's no "supposedly" about it. If it could handle the same type graphics as the PS3/360, we'd have seen it by now (developers can't go from XBX quality to 360 quality in 2-3 months). As I said in the past, it is basically a slightly more powerful GC/XBX, making it more comparable to those consoles (and the PS2) than next-gen consoles (in terms of processing power). The PS3 has the most processing power of all the consoles, so most likely it should have the best looking games (almost seems to be the case already IMO). If graphics are that important to you, the PS3 seems the way to go. Of course, that doesn't mean the Wii won't be a ton of fun though...just that the graphics will not be up to par. There is a reason the Wii is so much cheaper. ClutchCityReturns even provided some images to help out here in case you've missed them. Online Play: I mentioned this in another thread, but it sounds like 3rd party Wii launch titles will NOT have an online mode until sometime in 2007. Not sure how much you were counting on playing games online on the Wii (especially which games), but that might impact your decision. If nothing else, is supports the "wait it out" plan. I'd be wary on the PS3 side of things too, at least until Sony actually SHOWS something. Supposedly, it will provide much of the same functions of Xbox Live and be free (at least for online play and "basic features"). It sounds like there will be some nice titles to play online at or near launch though (Resistance, Warhawk, Motorstorm, Unreal Tournament...maybe even Untold Legends since it has 4-player Coop IIRC). If I'm not mistaken, the devs for Resistance are trying to make it offer a better online experience than any other XBL game. Not sure if that will happen, but it should be fun. Price: Yeah, the Wii just wins here. Even if they "overcharge" for the Wii (more than $200...just my opinion though), it will be MUCH cheaper than the PS3, and that will likely be the scenario the entire generation. FWIW, have you considered the $500 SKU for the PS3? That's still crazy expensive, but not as bad as $600. I'm not sure if you care about all the things that the $600 SKU provides (basically just WiFi, CF/SD/MS ports, and a HDMI port). I'd probably get the $500 SKU (assuming they're available...Sony might do like a 90/10 ratio in favor of the $600 version at launch). Downloadable Games: Yeah, assuming Nintendo doesn't screw it up, the VC service should be a lot of fun. Big plus here. FWIW, I'm guessing that you'll be able to download old PS1 games to play on the PS3 (since you can download old PS1 games to play on the PSP, why not?). Not sure how much you care about PS1 games though. And of course, MS doesn't have history that Nintendo and Sony have, yet there are still some pretty cool old classics on their online service (Street Fighter, Gauntlet, Mortal Kombat, Castlevania, etc.). As mentioned by CK, given what you seem to prefer (graphics, online play, no "kiddie" games, etc), the 360 and PS3 might be a better comparison.
Oops...forgot to answer this in my previous post... GTA doesn't come out until Fall 2007, and when it does, it will be released for both consoles at the same time (unless something changes). BTW, The 360 version will have "exclusive downloadable content."
oomp may be thinking about Saints Row, which is very GTA-like and has been getting good buzz/reviews. It is, at this point, a 360 exclusive and will be out in a week or two. With the Wii, I think the graphics will get better - it is still more powerful than a GC/XBOX - but clearly it won't be the system to get if that's what you are looking for. Everyone pretty much understands that's not what the system is about. To be honest, if it is that much in the air for you gucci, CK is probably right; you might not want to go with launch. The games will (generally) suck, you will probably see a long dry period right after launch, and there's no telling what kind of issues will pop up at the beginning - reliability wise, etc. The only reason to go at launch is if you know you want a particular system right out of the gate, if there is something about it you want to experience right away, and if you feel good about the price. I'm waiting on a PS3 because I can't justify the price and don't agree with the reason for it, and there are no games at launch or in the immediate future that I want to play. I'll also wait to see what happens with BR. I'm getting a Wii because I want to deal with the new controller for myself, if current theories are correct then I'm much more comfortable with the price, I will make use of the Virtual Console service and I usually enjoy Nintendo games. But if I was in your position, particularly being so unsure, I would probably do as CK said - wait a while, or perhaps look closer at a 360, which will probably have more to offer 'right now'.
Wow. I am seriously underwhelmed by the PS3 titles... Other than Warhawk and Assassin's Creed, I see nothing worth blowing almost a grand on... PS3 to my household in 2008.
That might be it, but I know there was some confusion whenever GTA was originally announced (especially with MS doing the announcement). Somehow, a lot of people ended up thinking GTA was coming out this year in October, making it a timed exclusive for the 360 (since the PS3 wouldn't launch until the next month). Not sure how that got started, but I've seen a lot of people think that was the case (even analysts). That might be the case, but I wouldn't be surprised if what you're seeing now is pretty close to the full capabilities of the system. It depends on the final specs, but it won't be THAT much more powerful than the Xbox (especially if it doesn't have any shader support for some reason). Besides, unlike other transitions, developers are coding for the same architecture and are able to use pretty much the same development software they used for the GC. Unlike the 360 and PS3, it shouldn't be too hard to get the most out of the system early on. It is up to personal preference, but I think that is one of the best (if not the best) "launch" (launch being "launch window") lineups for any console. Some PS3-exclusive titles I'm looking forward to include: Resistance, Warhawk, MotorStorm, UT2K7 (PC too though), Lair, Heavenly Sword, and possibly Eye of Judgment (an interesting concept) and Virtua Fighter 5 (not a big fan of the series, but it looks great...best looking next-gen fighter so far from what I can tell). Not sure if any of those will really be there though (like Lair); if you look at the IGN link, Saints Row was originally thought to be a launch title for the 360. Of course, along with having one of the best launch lineups IMO, it also happens to be one of the most expensive consoles ever launched...so it kind of helps to have a nice lineup when you're selling the system for $500-$600.
I seriously doubt that. Some of those aren't even the best the Gamecube can do. There's no logical reason to believe that launch games with a whole new control scheme/mechanic are going to be 'full capabilities.' Metroid alone - a supposed launch or 'launch window' title will probably look better than most everything else we've seen. Until developers get a good handle on the controller and are comfortable with it, it will remain their primary focus. That's definitely personal preference. UT, Lair and Heavenly Sword, at the very least, probably won't be anywhere near 'launch window'. And for me, Warhawk and Motorstorm aren't exactly something to be excited about. Resistance may be the only exception for me. There's nothing there that screams 'best launch ever' imo.
By what you're seeing now, I was pretty much including games like Metroid that would be pretty close to taking full advantage of the system (graphically speaking). In any case, as I said, the (rumored) specs don't really seem that much better than the Xbox to really make that much of a noticeable difference (again, especially if there is no shader support). I think some of the games are roughly around Xbox-level graphics already (even slightly better in certain areas, technically speaking), so I don't think they'll look that much better given the specs. I think they're pretty close to that peak, at least the best-looking ones. The minimum you can expect from Wii games might improve, but that's really about it. I was basing the "launch window" games on the list given (much like Rocket G was I'm assuming). Obviously, some titles will make it, and others not listed will (Hot Shots, Ridge Racer, Armored Core, Gundam, possibly GTHD if it is a game, some titles yet to be announced (Oblivion GOTY edition ), etc.). I think Warhawk looks great (especially since it appears kind of GTA-ish), and apparently Rocket G thinks highly of it as well (at least a better-than-average launch title). As for MotorStorm, I think it will be a lot of fun just due to the amount of physics they have going. They need to fix some things (I'd especially like to see the other tracks), but the idea of something like a 16-vehicle race with 15 trucks and one bike...that just seems like a lot of fun. I guess if anything, I'd put those games around the level of say Dead Rising and Saints Row (given the responses I've seen from them). Solid games that are a lot of fun, with a few flaws keeping them from being truly great. And I'd think a lot of 360 owners would have loved it if those 2 titles made it for launch. And that's just for titles that appear to be exclusive to the PS3. Games like FEAR (supposed to be a launch title), HL2 (plus all the stuff that comes with it), Stranglehold, The Darkness, Marvel Ultimate Alliance (though it looks like crap, it will probably be fun to play), Rainbow Six, Sonic, the EA titles, etc., all add some things to the PS3's launch list (especially if something like Warhawk, Resistance, or Heavenly Sword is enough to get a person to buy a PS3 at or near launch). Being the best would basically rely on a bunch of those games coming out on those dates (Lair, Warhawk, UT2K7, MotorStorm, Heavenly Sword, etc), and the better games meeting or exceeding expectations (Resistance being Halo-esque). That's why I said that it could be one of the best, and potentially the best. It isn't like that would be hard to do. DC probably takes the top spot, followed probably by the 360 (memory is fading on past launch lineups, but I remember a lot of people praising the 360 launch lineups as one of the best...again, probably because most suck). I think this list (as it stands now) is a lot better than what launched (launch meaning on launch day or even a couple months after...even as far as to say GRAW and Oblivion's release dates) on the 360 last year.
I hope the minimum would be the best of what the Xbox has to offer, but I wouldn't bet on it. Heck, if every game looked as good as RE4 at 60 fps, I wouldn't care about the specs. As it is right now though, the Wii's specs look like a juiced up Xbox. The Battalion Wars 2 demo looked like it could've been on the Cube. The controls and online mode make it look like a fun game, but I would've liked both graphics and gameplay....
Maybe we've all been punk'd about the Wii's graphics capabilities: http://www.joystiq.com/2006/08/27/rumor-will-nintendo-punk-us-with-the-wii/ Seriously, it would be nice if every game looked as good as RE4 (@60FPS). Could be better, but that's certainly not a bad minimum bar to have. Might even be better than the PS3's minimum (thanks to developers like Nippon Ichi...though I love their games). And on another note, a cool Resistance animated gif:
