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Hezbollah Gaining. Ruins of Alleged US Interest in Mid East Democracy

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  1. glynch

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    Hezbollah gaining strength where democracy once dwelt
    By Rashid Khalidi, a professor of Arab studies at the Middle East Institute at Columbia University

    August 13, 2006

    President Bush recently said that it was necessary to get to "the root of the problem" in Lebanon. By this, Bush certainly did not mean Israel's 18-year occupation of south Lebanon that created Hezbollah following the 1982 invasion. Nor did he mean Israel's 39-year-plus occupation in Palestine. For him, the problem is Hezbollah's nature as a "terrorist organization," which is how it is framed in most of the American media.

    It is worth considering how Hezbollah is now regarded elsewhere. As recently as a month ago in democratic Lebanon, (touted by the Bush administration as a great achievement of its Middle East policy), there were sharp differences over Hezbollah, its armed presence in south Lebanon and its links with Syria and Iran. The Lebanese government and much of the country's political establishment were closely aligned with the United States and France in opposing Hezbollah. Few observers, however, paid attention to the fact that all the elected representatives of the largest community in Lebanon, the Shiites, were not part of this happy consensus.

    Now, a month after Israel unleashed its air force against Lebanon, killing more than 700 civilians, there is near-unanimity among Lebanese in supporting Hezbollah's resistance to the grinding advance of Israeli troops in the south, the third such invasion in 28 years. Hezbollah is once again seen by almost all Lebanese as a resistance movement, as it was after it succeeded in 2000 in forcing Israel to evacuate occupied territory (a feat that the Lebanese and Syrian governments, and the Palestinians, all failed to achieve).

    Americans, who have been fortunate never to live under foreign occupation, may not understand that invasion and occupation inevitably breed resistance.

    Hezbollah's rocket attacks on Israel, initially condemned by some Lebanese, are now seen as a justified response to Israel's offensive against Lebanon. For the Lebanese, the fact that most of their casualties were civilians, a third of them children, and that the bombing has created a million refugees, severely damaged the environment and systematically destroyed the country's infrastructure--from bridges and power plants to airports, milk factories and lighthouses--substantiates this belief.

    The idea that this or any other Lebanese government will act against Hezbollah after the fighting ends is therefore perfect fantasy.
    The "successes" of American and French diplomacy over the last year in driving a wedge between Lebanese and isolating Hezbollah, a futile exercise in any case, have gone up in the smoke of Israeli air raids on every part of Lebanon.

    In their place is bitter anger at the United States, which has once more shown that neither Lebanese democracy nor Arab civilian casualties, nor anything else in the Arab world, counts in American calculations when Israel's perceived interests (and President Bush's "war on terror") are at stake.

    This is also the impression left in the Arab world by the reduction of a third Arab country--Iraq, Palestine and now Lebanon--to smoldering ruins as part of what Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice called the "birth-pangs of a new Middle East." No one there any longer takes seriously the idea that U.S. policy has anything to do with democracy. The crushing of an elected Palestinian government (many of its leaders kidnapped by Israel) and the humiliation of an elected Lebanese government at the hands of Israel and the United States have dissolved the last illusions in the region as to this flimsy pretext for American actions.

    Beyond further angering Arabs and others in the Middle East, U.S. support for Israel's offensive in Lebanon has also gravely embarrassed undemocratic pro-American Arab regimes
    . Some were so unwise as to criticize Hezbollah publicly in the first days of this conflict, and have been forced to eat large amounts of crow since then, as their publics have massively supported Hezbollah. All of these regimes have now been obliged to line up behind the diplomatic position of a Lebanese government that is closely coordinating its stand with that of Hezbollah.

    So a month of unlimited American support for Israel's war in Lebanon has been disastrous even in terms of the Bush administration's questionable Middle East objectives. It has shattered a Lebanese coalition the U.S. and France painstakingly built up over more than a year, it has exposed the United States as the enemy of democracy in the region (all of the bleating in Washington to the contrary notwithstanding), it has weakened undemocratic Arab clients of the U.S., and it has shown that nothing in the Middle East counts for the Bush administration as much as the self-fulfilling ideological obsession with "terror" that it shares with Israel.

    These policies do not serve the true interests of the United States, or for that matter those of Israel. American involvement, direct or indirect, in new Middle Eastern wars, which some zealots in Washington are calling for, would mean even more Iraqs. The Israeli government and the Bush administration both suffer from the foolish illusion (one easy to understand among warmongers in Washington who have never been near a battlefield) that war is the solution to problems in the Middle East. The idea that Arabs understand only force, which underlies American and Israeli policies, is racist and profoundly mistaken. As long as such dangerous illusions reign, innocents will continue to die in Lebanon, Palestine, Iraq and Israel.
     
  2. DaDakota

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    I think both of them are a bit weaker....regular people are not going to like Israel or Hezballah.....for blowing up their neighborhoods.

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  3. FranchiseBlade

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    Around the world they are both weaker. But in Lebanon, I have no doubt that Hezbollah has stronger support. The reality is that when another nation is bombing your homes, business, ambulances, fleeing family members, roads, and have displaced about 1/4 of the country then the group that stands up and fights that enemy will receive a lot of support. Especially when put up tough resistence.

    That is the reality that must be dealt with. It is a real shame, that Israel had such as stupid response to Hezbollah.
     
  4. glynch

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    Sort of reminds me of other recent conflicts. US vs. Iraq; both weaker. US vs N. Korea. Both weaker. Bush sort of threatened retaliation if they tested their missile. They shot the missile and showed the world it did not work. Bush was shown to be just blustering.
     
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    According to a poll released by the "Beirut Center for Research and Information" on 26 July during 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict, 87 percent of Lebanese support Hezbollah's fight with Israel, a rise of 29 percent on a similar poll conducted in February. More striking, however, is the level of support for Hezbollah's resistance from non-Shiite communities. Eighty percent of Christians polled supported Hezbollah along with 80 percent of Druze and 89 percent of Sunnis.[134][135], while according to another poll, from July 2005, 74 percent of Christian Lebanese viewed Hezbollah as a resistance organization[136].

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah
     
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    Yeah that sucks.
     
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    The Bush administration's track record in the Middle East is truly tragic. At every turn, they have miscalculated and have helped weaken American influence in the region.

    Honestly -- and I am not being partisan here -- it's truly stunning just how much damage the current administration has done to US interests in the world, all in little over five years.

    What a shame, what a freakin' shame...
     
  8. NewYorker

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    Israel's actions completely back-fired. Hezbelloh will now become a permanent part of Lebanon, with a great deal of political power. It will rearm and may expand. The Lebanonese clearly will want to keep the fighting skills of these guys around. They are a great defense to future attacks.

    Futher more, I don't think Israel will try another offensive...they basically tried to save face and run. They wrecked the country, but didn't dent Hezbelloh much. They got their butts kicked on relative terms.
     
  9. Major

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    Interesting that the Christian community there supports Hezbollah so strongly. That tells you that it's not just "Islamic fascism". They actually are looked at a defender of Lebanon from a non-religious perspective.
     
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    Sentence 1 and 3 in no way prove sentence 2. Just because there might have been strong support for the Nazis in Germany in 1933 doesn't make it any less fascism than we all know it was. People can be misled.
     
  11. Ottomaton

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    Below is my example of the Nazi "Ostvolker" or Eastern Peoples medal. Despite the fact that the Nazis considered them sub-human and wanted to kill 50% and turn the rest into slaves, there were so many 'Eastern Peoples' that fought for the Nazis that they had to come up with a special medal for them.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Hezbollah achived a moral victory at the very least. the Underdog took on the might of the 3rd most powerfull army and did'nt lose. thats how the populace in the Midd-east. the sympathy factor must be not taken for granted here.
     
  13. glynch

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    Well nobody cares what the populace of the Arab countries want or think. They hate us because we are free according to the Decider. Just try to cut a few deals with Emirs or Kings to endorse the expansion of Israel and keep the oil flowing at the prices we want. If it is a demcoracy we don't like, kidnap the leaders (Israel w. Hamas) or attack their country to try to start a civil war (Israel w. US planning in Lebanon.)
     

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