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[SI.com] Astros Offer Preston Wilson to Yankees

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by countingcrow, Jul 24, 2006.

  1. bigtexxx

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    Lane already got shipped to Round Rock. Ensberg has a lot more upside than Wilson (see last season) and hopefully his injury is responsible for his extended slump this year.
     
  2. edwardc

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    If that were the case ensberg and lane everett should have been gone a long time ago.
     
  3. edwardc

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    BT that's just a excuse ensberg is going to do this every other year.Check his stats he has a good year then a bad year.
     
  4. The Cat

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    Ensberg is a much better player than Wilson. Lane is in AAA already.
     
  5. DaDakota

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    Yes it was, and it generally takes a couple of trips up and down to get it right.

    Luke is ready NOW !

    DD
     
  6. The Cat

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    I have checked his stats. Three of his four seasons being a MLB regular have resulted in a .890 or higher OPS. That's not every other year... that's 3 out of 4 seasons where he was very good. Even in a season like this where many fans are upset, he's still been clearly better than Wilson. More OBP, more slugging, more power... you name it.
     
  7. Major

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    Lane's not even on the team, so I don't know where we'd move him. Presumably, if they believe Ensberg's injury is the problem, then a healthy Ensberg is a whole lot better than Preston Wilson.
     
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    I hope we get Chien Ming Wang
     
  9. JunkyardDwg

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    So are we talking about Preston Wilson or what?


    ...lane has already been demoted based on his performance...everett's performance on defense is why he's still here...and ensberg's past performance overrides his current struggles possibly due to his injury.


    But back to Wilson...
     
  10. Fegwu

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    Are you referring to Preston?

    You are joking right?
     
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    Preston is batting 276, played in 94 games, has 100 hits.
    Morgan is batting 236, played in 81 games, has 65 hits.

    Much better? Nah...
     
  12. JunkyardDwg

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    Ensberg also has 19 hrs, 44 rbis, 68 walks, 70 so, .390 obp, abd ,500 slg
    Preston has 9 hrs, 52 rbis, 20 walks, 90 so, .315 obp, .420 slg

    Preston is a decent bat...but I would rather have Ensberg, whom I think, when healthy is better than Wilson. And Ensberg has already shown even when he's slumping, he's still valuable cause he still can get on base.
     
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    They are both sucking this year. Ensberg has been replaced by Huff, Lane has been sent to the minors, and Everett is about to be replaced by Tejada.

    Wilson is not producing enough from a position that requires great offensive production, so if they can find a suitable replacement they should do so.
     
  14. The Cat

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    Sadly, however, you win in baseball by scoring runs, not by collecting the most hits. Otherwise, by the above criteria, David Eckstein would be a more valuable player than Barry Bonds or Adam Dunn.

    When player A in a so-called bad year has a .890 OPS and player B in a so-called decent year has a .735 OPS, there's just no comparison between the two players. There might be when you look at a few select statistics... but when you look at the entire body of work (homers, walks, OBP, slugging, OPS, see JD's post) it's not even close.
     
  15. The Cat

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    I don't think we're gonna get Tejada.

    Also, FWIW, Huff's performance in Tampa and in Houston is significantly worse than Morgan's numbers for the season. Granted, he's not healthy now so it's not an issue, but when Morgan is healthy he's a superior player, so to say he's been replaced is an overstatement. When Morgan is healthy (and assuming he isn't dealt), he'll be back at third, Huff to the OF and either Lamb or Wilson to the bench. I hope it's the latter, but have a gut feeling it'll be the former.
     
  16. The Cat

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    When you sign a corner OF (a position where offensive excellence is almost required), say you expect 25-30 home runs and a middle-of-the-order bat, and get a player on pace for about 15 homers and a .735 OPS... that's a significant disappointment. And we shouldn't forget how prone he is to double plays or that he's one of the worst defensive outfielders in the majors as well.

    He's been a bust, he's gone for sure after the season and there are viable in-house alternatives. If we can get any decent prospect(s) for him, sign us up.
     
  17. BigM

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    the whole astros are racist thing again? wow, in order for that to be true you'd have to completely put aside the heap of latin american players that have come through here and the slimming number of african-americans in the entire sport. that's not just an astros thing.

    i'd love to see some direct proof that the astros are specifically passing up on minority talent for white players. what a joke. it's freaking baseball, i didn't know they needed to fill a racial quota in addition to trying to win a world series. maybe i need to petition for a chinese guy or two?
     
  18. thephatp

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    Man I'm really sick of stupid people bringing up the issue of race in EVERYTHING. Now baseball. Give me a break, good grief. Check your stats BEFORE you post something stupid and controversial, like this.

    Here are the players that were on the 25 man roster for the Astros the past 3 years:


    2006
    Willy Taveras
    Preston Wilson
    Fernando Nieve
    Wandy Rodriquez
    Orlando Palmeiro
    -> 25% minority


    2005
    Willy Taveras
    Wandy Rodriquez
    Ezequiel Astacio
    Charlton Jimerson
    Raul Chavez
    Humberto Quintero
    Jose Vizcaino
    Orlando Palmeiro
    -> 32% minority


    2004
    Octavio Dotel
    Carlos Hernandez
    Carlos Beltran
    Richard Hidalgo
    Jason Alfaro
    Willy Taveras
    Jose Vizcaino
    Orlando Palmeiro
    -> 32% minority

    Ok, I've done the numbers here. Now, you tell me what the percentage is of minority players to caucasian in MLB, and we'll see how the Astros fare.

    Oh, by the way, do you people realize that issues with race will NEVER DIE while stupid comments like this one from Ra Ooh La La are made? :mad:
     
  19. Fegwu

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    Well I guess it depends on how you view these things. Knowing Preston's game from previous years I did not expect him to be this good - I thought getting him was a bad move because I did not think he is the kind of player we needed.

    So far I have been extreemly pleased with Preston - he has surpassed my expection.

    If you waste your time trying to base that on some other parameter or yardstick then that is your problem. I based my evaluations on expectation of individual players. You cannot bring a lizard from Africa and expect him to act or become an alligator in Florida.

    He is #8 in the majors in the BA column for LF

    In the same select group, he is top 10 in RBI

    If you compute it all and factor in the fact that he is not in his prime anymore (age catching up with him), what we our left field looked like last year, plus what his numbers will fairly look like by the end of the year, I will say he has not been a dissappointment.
     
  20. Ra Ooh La La

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    First off, I'd like to take a moment to genuinely apologize to countingcrow for derailing his/her thread. I also apologize for my insensitivity and poor choice of wording with regard to the phrase "ethnic cleasing." My remarks were inconsiderate and disrespectful to the thread starter and my original statement was irresponsibly offensive. For these things, I sincerely apologize.

    I do believe there is real issue with this organization. Whether it's rooted in racism or purely poor administrative execution with regard to taking advantange of foreign talent, I do believe it's a real issue nonetheless.

    Respectfully, thephatp, you do not know me. Perhaps you imagine me a blowhard angry minority spouting off about some non-existent racial issue. Unfortunately for your arguement, I have little to no respect for LULAC or the NAACP or any other faction that has some special interest slanted towards a particular race or ethnicity.

    My arguments are not rooted in a rally for quotas and minority rights to play baseball in Houston. My arguments are rooted in the understanding that baseball is becoming more and more minority impacted while our home team does not reflect the same. A greater presence of minorties in baseball represents the greatest talent. Pick your all-mlb team, and I tend to believe you'll wind up with more than 3 (average to below average token minorites) active.

    The "Ethinic Cleansing" remark was admittedly a stupid and tasteless comment. I ask your forgiveness for that lapse in judgement. But if you can objectively review the subsequent commentary and discussion and still lump me into the "stupid people" catagory, unforunately there's not really anything more I can say.

    Finally, in a show of respect to countingcrow and the original purpose of this thread, I encourage all viewers to refrain from any further comment with regard to minorities in baseball. Parting shots and additional discussion may directed to me at raoul_101@hotmail.com

    Please continue to discuss possible prospects available from the Yankees with regard to the potential Wilson trade. It may be interesting to determine where exactly Preston Wilson falls in terms of the Yankees' backup plan in comparison to the other names listed (Shawn Green & Craig Wilson). Perhaps another team (Tigers, LAA, etc) could also be interested in another bat as Soriano and Abreu talks have continued heating.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/jon_heyman/07/24/bowden/1.html

    Again, countingcrow, please accept my most humble apologies and pardon my reckless disrespect.
     

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