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Our Current Log Jam at Point Guard, And Where Everyone Fits

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by yobod, Jul 20, 2006.

  1. yobod

    yobod Member

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    point guards
    rafer alston 6'2
    vassillis spanoulis 6'4
    luther head 6'3
    john lucas jr 5'11

    shootings guards
    kirk snyder 6'6

    small forwards
    tracy mcgrady 6'8
    shane battier 6'8
    chuck hayes 6'6
    ryan bowen 6'9

    power forwards
    juwan howard 6'9
    steve novak 6'10

    centers
    yao ming 7'6
    dikembe mutombo 7'2
    machej lampe 6'11


    it seems as though kirk snyder is our only true shooting guard, im not sure if im that comfortable with the rockets focus on so many undersized players as now im wondering if we should even sign lucas. theres just no room for him. maybe we can work a trade with lampe whos got potential and only 20 years old with whats left of our trade exception for another decent shooting guard. but as it stands weve got a heck of a team and our depth is starting to really show. if novak, hayes and snyder who are all under 23 can really find their niches by playoff time watch out.

    in the past 2 years weve subtracted jim jackson, mike james, derek anderson, david wesley to name a few and replaced them with a lot of youth with potential. slowly but surely i think we really got a team with toughness. bowen, battier, deke, hayes and spanoulis (as seen from his getting into guys faces in the youtube video) can all be dirty hard nosed annoyances for other teams.
     
  2. smoothie

    smoothie Jabari Jungle

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    i think you're a little off with your depth chart:

    yao-deke
    shane-jho-hayes
    tmac-novak-bowen
    snyder-head-sura
    rafer-kb-lucas

    lampe is off our roster. hayes is definitely not a 3, his main talent is rebounding and he can't shoot or dribble. JVG said novak probably can't play the 4 yet. CD did hint pretty clearly that snyder was the starting 2, meaning shane will be the starting 4. lastly, JVG said a few times that head can't play the point yet.

    after the lucas signing, we will have one spot left.

    we will have the TE and the rest of the MLE (about $3M) to bring in a F/C who can block shots.
     
  3. RioGrando

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    Send this one to the GARM!
     
  4. yobod

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    how exactly is lampe off our roster? hmm he wasnt a free agent. im not sure id want hayes in the game in the same position kevin garnett and amare are playing. with his size id much rather have him guarding the three position. battier CAN play the 4 yes, but that list i made is for natural positions, not where we can stick people. i never said anything about battier playing point.

    head is way undersized to play the 2 guard, and sura might not play at all.
     
  5. rimbaud

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    The Rockets did not exercise his team option. He is playing or the Phoenix summer squad (hey - maybe this does belong in the NBA forum!)

    Since you are not the coach it doesn't really matter where you want him. He is a 4. VG plays him at the 4. He has the offensive and defensive game of a 4. He is just a short 4.

    I don't love Battier at the 4 in the pros either but technically that was his natural position through college. Also, Novak's natural position is the 3. You had him at the 4.

    The majority of his minutes last year came at the 2. He is a natural (short) 2. He is a 2 who can spot at the 1. This upcoming season, though, he shouldn't need to (unless both VSpan and Lucas suck).

    When your two backup PGs have so little experience there is not a logjam at the position.

    Wrong forum.
     
  6. rserina

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    This we'll get moved, but I agree your positions are a little off. Right now, we have Spanoulis, Lucas, and possibly Sura behind Alston, but I do expect Head to play there some more this season. I could see us using the TE on another combo guard or veteran backup one, though, if Sura and Head don't cut it behind Alston at the one.

    At the two, our current rotation would be Snyder and Head, with McGrady getting spot minutes, though if we need Head more at the one and he is ready to play there, a Kyle Korver-type deal using the TE would provide the perfect complement to Snyder.

    McGrady will get spelled by Battier, Novak, and Bowen at the three, while Batter will get his primary minutes at the four, in front of Howard and Hayes.

    I do agree that another post player would be good, especially one who can play the five in more uptempo ball games. Lorenzen Wright, Melvin Ely, and Tony Battie are all available and would fit the bill if they take the remaining MLE. This would also give us the option of trading Howard plus one or twoo of our cheap, younger backcourt players for a starter-quality guard as the season progresses.

    If we use the remaining MLE and TE wisely, we are in more than good shape,
     
  7. enigmacx

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    From your post, you don't watch rox games a lot or you just don't understand basketball. :D

     
  8. yobod

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    thanks for not contributing anything at all with your comment
     
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    well youre points are all great, and i know that head can play the 1, and hayes can play the 4. but i mean just because they can doesnt mean they should. yao can handle the ball a bit, but its not like were gonna stick him at the 1. weve got issues with players that CAN play a position instead of SHOULD be playing that position. thats all im trying to say with this whole thread. honestly i think this lineup would be much more efficient

    1)alston, head, lucas
    2)tmac, snyder, v-span
    3)battier, novak, bowen
    4)howard, hayes
    5)yao, deke
     
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  12. kpsta

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    Of course Chuck is a 4... he simply doesn't have the game to play anything but that position. Ignore his height because he plays above it with his hustle. That doesn't mean he can defend Garnett or the other 7 footers playing the 4, but who can? One of the best 4s of the 80s and 90s was also undersized... shorter than Chuck Hayes even, couldn't defend worth a lick, and happened to be named Chuck as well.
     
  13. Storm Surge

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    we have a lot of swingmen and combo guards
     
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    Now that you've switched Hayes back to the 4, and put Novak as a backup 3, I actually agree with you.

    I don't know why T-Mac, or others, are against him playing SG. It's not like he utilized much of that slashing game you typically see more out of your SF than your SG last year.

    I think your lineup makes us taller, better defensively and potentially better offensively.

    On the other hand, I can see the logic behind starting Snyder at the 2 guard, T-Mac at SF and Battier at PF. We'll just have to see how it looks throughout preseason.
     
  15. KaiSeR SoZe

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    This is how I see it:

    point guards
    rafer alston 6'2
    vassillis spanoulis 6'4
    john lucas jr 5'11
    luther head 6'3

    shootings guards
    kirk snyder 6'6
    luther head 6'3
    tracy mcgrady 6'8

    small forwards
    tracy mcgrady 6'8
    ryan bowen 6'9
    steve novak 6'10
    shane battier 6'8

    power forwards
    juwan howard 6'9
    chuck hayes 6'6
    shane battier 6'8

    centers
    yao ming 7'6
    dikembe mutombo 7'2

    Some of these guys can play 2 positions for us so i just put them in two categories
     
  16. goyao11

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    wouldn't it be funny if, due to the lack of hieght/strength/defense at teh 4, decides to play Yao as a power forward? :)
     
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    wow the rockets are terrible
     
  18. deadlybulb

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    It'll be nice when posters such as this one dissapear when the Rockets start gelling and playing great basketball about 10-15 games into the season. Or maybe they won't dissapear... they'll just flip-flop and hop on the wagon.
     
  19. No Worries

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    spanoulis I think is going to be a combo guard. also sura until proven otherwise should be considered on the depth chart.

    point guards
    rafer alston 6'2
    john lucas jr 5'11
    luther head 6'3
    vassillis spanoulis 6'4
    bob sura 6'5

    shootings guards
    kirk snyder 6'6
    luther head 6'3
    tracy mcgrady 6'8
    vassillis spanoulis 6'4
    bob sura 6'5

    small forwards
    tracy mcgrady 6'8
    shane battier 6'8
    steve novak 6'10
    ryan bowen 6'9

    power forwards
    juwan howard 6'9
    chuck hayes 6'6
    shane battier 6'8

    centers
    yao ming 7'6
    dikembe mutombo 7'2
     
  20. Ryan Bowen MVP

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    Technically Battier should be under shooting guards as well. He can play the position and JVG also said he likes the option of using him at the 2,3, and 4.
     

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