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Trade Idea: Howard and Head for Mihm and Mckie

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Old Man Rock, Jul 17, 2006.

  1. AggieRocketFan96

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    Devean George? Where does that come from? If you say the Rox will do this trade just to get rid of JHo's contract why would the Fakers not give up someone they really don't need like Mihm? And you think the rumor is bogus because....?

     
  2. Deckard

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    As noted above, she implied it. If she isn't (not that there's anything wrong with that!), I'm sure she'll correct me. I've been married for over 25 years, so it's not like I'm hittin' on the chick, lol! I really like diversity here. :)
     
  3. rocketsfaninsa

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    Where does that come from? it comes from the fact that george would be a better asset than mihm. why would we take mihm for howard, that would be ridiculous. his best game is barely better than howard's off nights.it's bogus b/c if they want howard at all then they will realize we want something better than a guy who is half as talented as howard like mihm. come on man you're an aggie fan, so you should remember that mihm's glory days were in the big 12.
     
  4. jwalker1

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    Ok, allow me to reintroduce myself. My name is Jason and I am a die hard Rockets fan who really would just like to see us do better and take some chances.

    Now Old Man Rocket, to be honest, yeah i am new at this. I didn't know you started the thread so nobody is attackin you personally. Hell i though Lakers started it. I was also ignorant to the fact that you posted before hoopsworld. I am just a little skeptic that the Lakers, an up and coming team with not many bad contract problems and young talent, who want the one deminisional Howard. Maybe I'm wrong. i hope it is true though. It just sounds like a good deal for Houston and you all being Rockets fans like myself, just don't quite make good decisions.

    I would do the trade because although it may be a step back for this year, it is a step forward next year. We in no way have a team to complete for the Championship this year in my opinion so I think a total neglect of next year would be flawed.
    My 10 requests are:

    1. Make the Juwan Howard trade happen to almost any taker as long as we get no bad contracts in return.

    2. Sign JL3. Don't let a guy develope in your system and then let him go to another team.

    3. Do not let Ryan Bowen grace the Rockets roster again. Sorry, dude sucks.

    4. Try to get Corey Magette, although i don't think they would trade him here.

    5. Do not feel a need to use the MLE if all of the good players leave. It is just a waste of money. Perhaps do a sign and trade with it to a team that has spent theirs' or have no cap space.

    6. Sign Cato back. Give him the vet's min. and make him earn the money we blew on him earlier. He played well next to Yao his last year here.

    7. Sign a player who actually has some damn intensity. We have to be the most passive team I have ever seen play.

    8. Do not keep trading away your draft picks unless you're going to keep drafting duds.

    9. I really hate to say this because I love the dude, but if T. Mac can stay healthy for the first 20 games, entertain trade offers that can get you better debt. (i.e. some of Boston or Atlanta's young studs)

    and

    10. Rid yourselves of JEFF VAN GUNDY. I think his input in personnell decisions will keep sinking us. I won't comment on CD because it is his final year anyhow.
     
  5. MrButtocks

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    I'm sorry. I was out of line and I apologize.

    And we won't have any cap space by dumping Juwan's contract because we're trying to spend our MLE. And we'll probably keep Snyder if he plays up to his current level. Again, I'm sorry for being inappropriate.
     
  6. AggieRocketFan96

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    You're missing my point and looking at this from a JHo fan's perspective. Look, JHo is clearly not going to cut it for the Rockets if they are expecting a Win Now or even a Win Later approach. His contract is an albatross and in my opinion, anyone willing to take him with nothing in return would be good for the Rox.

    Yeah, of course George would be a better pickup than Mihm. I disagree Mihm is any worse than JHo. But here's my point. The Fakers and the rest of the league for that matter, know that when it comes to JHo and his contract the Rox will not have the upper hand and will not be in position to dictate who they get in return. The Rox are not in the position of power here. That's probably what is holding this deal up now.

     
  7. milkyecho

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    Haha, yes I am female.

    I am also definitely down with trading Howard, although I would miss yelling JU-HO during the games...

    I think mihm could have a place here, but mostly the advantage is his contract is cheaper and ends earlier than JuHo's. But is that worth giving up Head?
    Not if its Mihm and Mckie. Looking at the fair vs actual salaries, mihm and mckie are overpaid, so we'd still have bad contracts, just ones that end sooner.

    Tough call. Maybe its my female perspective, but I say no if the deal includes Luther Head.
     
  8. hooroo

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    With Vlad's contract Lakers will be about 10M over the luxury tax threshold. I doubt they'd want more salary in taking on Jho's contract.

    The 4.2TE would cover Mihm's contract and would be very attractive to the Fakers. They are over the 15 man roster limit so maybe that may have also attributed to the trade rumour.

    Should the Rockets deal with the Lakers? At this point in time, hell no.
     
  9. franchise23

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    I would think if this trade rumor is even being discussed by the rockets and Lakers that sooner or later we would hear something from a real source. I.e. a newspaper, radio, website (not hoopsworld). So far nothing.
     
  10. MrButtocks

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    They're actually below the luxury tax threshold. Brian Grant's contract doesn't count because of the Allan Houston rule. So signing Radman and Farmar barely puts them under the tax.

    Like I said, the lakers avoid tax like the plague. The only reason they've paid tax in the past is because no one ever knew where the threshold was. But they're under right now, so there's no rush to dump anybody.
     
  11. Old Man Rock

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    Did we hear anything about Snyder until it happened. This all could be false, But not hearing about it anywhere else isn't proof of that.
     
  12. shannmichael

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    I think it's worth it. If you don't get rid of J-HO this year then we'll have the same problem the next 2 years. No money to sign anyone except usin MLE's. If we get rid of J-HO now, sacrifice luther head, suck it up for a year..cause really, we can still make the playoff and a little noise but no championship...

    If we get rid of J-HO, now we have about 7M + MLE to sign better caliber players as I stated on my previous post.







     
  13. shannmichael

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    no harm done.

    I mean cap-space for next year when Mihm's+Mckies contract expire.
    - Don't we get MLEs ever year?
    I don't know anything about MLEs. Enlighten me please so I'll top posting uninformed trades :). They don't have MLE's on NBALIVE2006 you know...:)
    - Can we sign someone with MLE combine it with a player then trade both..maybe not immediately but sometime down the road?
    - Is there a site to read-up about all these. Slaray caps, MLE's etc.





     
  14. ArtV

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    I wouldn't want McKie either, but you need him in the deal to make the contracts work to unload Howard - and McKie is on the last year of his contract - as is Mihm - as is Smush.

    However, even if we were to shed all those contracts, we'd still be over the cap next year. But with Bowen, (last year) Deke (last year) and Howard gone, we'd wouldn't have any dead weights on the payroll. We could match any reasonable contracts on the people we wanted to keep and I'm sure McKie would not be one of them.
     
  15. Sooner423

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    I would consider Juwan And Head for Mihm and McKie. I f they throw in Cook, it's a done deal. Cook has all kinds of range. He would be a nice compliment to Yao and T-Mac. He may not be the best defender or rebounder out there but he's cheap and big enough to at least match up with some of the bigger 4's out there.
     
  16. Sooner423

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    I thought that did have the MLE on Live 06. It may be called something else though.
     
  17. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Does Howard for Cook and Mihm work?

    It does for me.

    DD
     
  18. Psamp

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    we could have got a whole lot more from any team if we offered howard and swift or just swift by himself. what have we done!
     
  19. hark

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    Bad idea!
    I really would love to see some trades but this is just not going to happen. Would this trade really make our team that better??? NO!
     
  20. Pocket Rockets

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    LakersPride -

    Do you have any idea what the hold up is on the trade? are they deciding on personel from the rockets (Lakers pursuit of head but rockets are trying to throw in another player or pick?)

    Are the Rockets trying to decide on a 3rd player in the deal?
     

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