Yep... those Knick teams were at least competitive enough to be picking low. It's not like he had a Duncan or a Stromile or some other Top 10 pick to work with.
I remember a rookie playing in 80 games, starting 27 of them, hitting .361% of his 3's, not turning the ball over, not collecting fouls, and playing not far from 30 minutes a game. I don't know what you consider, "significant," for a rookie, but I would consider that significant regardless of who his coach is.
I think Jeff is a good coach and he does do a good job resurrecting a career. Just seems trading of draft picks gets popular with the GM where he coaches. Of the 7 years he was Knicks coach, the GM traded away all of their picks before or after the draft in all years but 1 and traded those three first round picks from the 1996 draft away in his second year for super scrub Chris Mills. So far here, he didn't want Luther which is no secret, and all of the previous draft choices save Yao are gone and we gave away our pick this year in the Swift trade. Of Jeffs 10 years of drafts, Luther Head is second in rookie longevity with Van Gundy behind Postell. If Head makes the All-star break this year and he is still a Rocket, he moves into first place by himself. Now Van Gundy may not be the GM, but, there does seem to be a pattern that follows him that may be influencing the GM.
Dude. Look up your facts before you throw something out. John Wallace in 1996 played 68 games for JVG in his 1st season and was traded before the next season and also in 1996 Walter McCarty played 35 games. Both were traded along with their 3rd 1996 first rounder Dontae Jones who played zero minutes and their 1997 first Rounder for Chris Mills. None of the other three Knick Rookies in his seven years played more than 33 games or 5 minutes of garbage time and all other picks and or players were traded and never played a game with the knicks including Nene. Only Postell made it into his second Knick season before disappearing.
I didn't look up all the picks they traded and to see who the other teams got with them, but, of the picks the Knicks had on their Roster only Wallace and McCarty have gone on to have any type of career. I meerly pointed out the miss information that JVG developes rookies in his past as it has never happened.
Not yet, but they will make that decision sometime this summer. Hopefully pretty soon now that Wesley is going to sign w/ the Cavs and JR Smith will be traded to the Nuggets most likely.
No that is not what Van Gundier was asking. It doesn't matter what the receiving team got for them but the type of NBA player they became for their respective teams. What do you consider having "any type of career"? Averaging 7.6 pts a game or 4.8 pts a game? I guess you can call it an NBA career of mediocrity. Who were the rookies under JVG during his tenure at the Knicks that had the talent and could be developed? The answer is none. Ever think that maybe they sucked, hurt their team with their mediocrity and that's why they weren't played. You can't develop players that simply do not have it. At some point the responsibility has to fall on the player. The coach can only do so much. 1996 John Wallace Walter McCarty Dontae Jones 1997 John Thomas 1998 DeMarco Johnson Sean Marks 1999 Frederic Weis J.R. Koch 2000 Lavor Postell Pete Mickeal 2001 Michael Wright Eric Chenowith Who in the above list was robbed by JVG in not playing them significant minutes?
Do you have a point here? I never said he had anything to work with. I merely posted the facts for the people who are spouting JVG plays rookies and has always done so in the past. Whether it be by the fact he or his GM can't draft or the fact they traded almost all their picks to other teams and those teams made mistakes with those picks is irrellevant. The only point I made is he has never developed or played a bunch of knick rookies as several posters have claimed and every team he has coached for has traded away all of their youth.
I realize the correction you were attempting to make on him playing rookies however you are also making the above bolded judgments. My point is it is too simplistic to plainly state that "every team he has coached for has traded away all their youth" because there are reasons for their departure. If people would look deeper they would realize that he didn't have rookies worth playing and that holding their transactions against him is unreasonable because there is nothing wrong with trading the youth if they suck.
V-span if he signs is gonna be a nice addition and the contract offerd to him is good for him and im glad rockets didn't offer more. Hopefully he does sign. I think he will help because he is experienced it europe and that will play a major factor in his contribution to the houston rockets organization and also to the NBA.
V-span is worthless, don't bring over some unproven European player who we've only seen on videos when we could get someone like Lucas who has NBA experience and proved he has desire to succeed
WTF. It's not an either/or situation. If we get V-span it'll be for part of the MLE and Lucas is probably signing for the minimum. We're probably going to get both.
I actually had to research this. The answer is: plenty of rookies have contributed significant minutes to playoff teams. (I define "significant" as 1000 minutes or more.) Since 2000: -- Dallas: Josh Howard (2003), Marquis Daniels (2003), Devin Harris (2004). -- San Antonio: Tony Parker (2001), Emmanuel Ginobili (2002), Beno Udrih (2004). -- Detroit: Zeljko Rebraca (2001), Mehmet Okur (2004). I hope you noticed that all of these teams are good. In fact, developing young talent seems to be characteristic of all the best organizations. On the other hand, -- New York Knicks on JVG's watch (6 years): zip. The problem with trading draft picks is that you are frequently giving them away too cheaply. So your team is hard pressed to avoid a long, slow decline.
Who cares if he's a rookie or not? All that matter is if they can hold themselves on the court, show the poise and confidence to play within the rotation. Everyone deserves the chance, I hated when I saw Wesley play instead of Luther at times. I asked myself why? Give me one good reason outside of expierene? Don't get me wrong expierence is a huge factor, but if Luther is clearly playing better, than you gotta play him over a slumping Wesley. Just cause he's a "rookie" on the floor he deserves to be treated no different. If we didn't trade for Shane, re-signed Bogans, left Wesley off..who'd start at SG for us? Luther? JVG threw that idea out. Bogans? Please, Luther is better. Rudy? A huge no, he's a rookie remember? It's stupid to say since he's a rookie why should they warrant time? They deserve every bit of a chance, but since our coach is JVG , you'll be backed up on by him, he'll never take a risk.
