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Rockets trade for Hornets guard Kirk Snyder

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ron413, Jul 14, 2006.

  1. jopatmc

    jopatmc Member

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    I agree, putting people on ignore is childish. But, it is also pointless to say things that aren't true, like the Rockets claim Synder is the player that makes us a championship team. The Rox have made no such claim.

    We're all supposed to be Rox fans here. Most of us are highly opinionated but at the end of the day, we all want the Rox to win. So, let's keep it real and keep it true. Opinion is one thing. Stating factual information is another thing. Still, interpretation of factual information is another thing yet.

    Rockets Dynasty, we were together on the Redick issue. But, I ain't with you here. Steve Francis and his monster contract would kill us. Now, if the Knicks waive him, he would be a good fit for the MLE. But that ain't happening. We will have to wait to consider Francis again in 3 years when his contract expires.
     
  2. HillBoy

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    Folks here are getting good vibes because this guy's line card says that he's a 6-6 SG and that's OK. His signing is about the first good bit of news that they (Rox) are seriously trying to improve the team.

    But the question begs to be asked that if this guy was a superior talent, a true difference maker - then why was he basically moved for nothing? I know that he got caught up in a numbers game at NO with Peja coming on board but for him to be available for a 2nd rounder and cash does not exactly fill me with confidence that he's not just another Reece Gaines. I hope that's not the case because a 6-6 SG who can actually PLAY would go a long way toward making them competative in their division.

    In the end however, this looks to be business as usual for the Rockets as CD goes about finding cheap bodies that can wear Rockets' uniforms. They'll find enough guys to fill out this roster - they always do. Whether or those guys can actually play is a different question altogether.
     
  3. tmacyao111

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    we cant have a freakin allstar at every position why is everoyne complaining. Jeez
     
  4. rserina

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    Tiger and Hillboy:
    I really don't think anyone expects that much out of Snyder. I can completely agree that if he was this good, neither Utah or NO/OK would dealt him.

    But he IS a longer guard and, outside of an injured Derek Anderson, when was the last time we had that? He is long, athletic, physical, and can finish around the rim. I am not sure where the comment about him taking threes like Ray Allen comes from since he averaged less than 1.5 attempts from the arc as a rookie and less than two last year.

    And some are worried he was brought in as a starter or will take away from Head's minutes. I think we all know that Head is a two-guard trapped in a one's body. Van Gundy himself has said Luther will be a rotational player because of his size. I like him and think we will see some real development because the kid has a great shot, a decent handle, is not a bad passer or defender, and does have some decent quickness in the lane. However, he cannot and in any coach's right mind should not have to defend larger guards who will post him up for dinner. We needed a longer wing who can give us 15-20 minutes a game, maybe more against a Kobe or Maggette or Allen other long scorers at the two, and enable T-Mac to play the two only in key-game situations or against a very easy matchup defensively.

    That makes me optimistic about Snyder. Will he be in our 8-man rotation? Well, with Yao, T-Mac, Alston, Battier, Howard (for now), Head as our top-6, he should be slotted in as 7th on the floor, followed by Hayes, but I do believe a pair decent moves to upgrade depth at post and point, and he may be 9th off the bench.
     
  5. HillBoy

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    Exactly what wrong with using this forum as a venue to vent one's frustrations with the direction or actions of the Rockets' organization? ClutchFans is the perfect place for that especially from fans who care enough to vent in the first place. Now, we may not all agree or share the same opinion on everything but as long folks present their frustrations in a respectful manner (i.e. no personal attacks), I see no reason to exile them for doing so. It's not as if the Rockets have been running a model franchise these past few years anyway and their poor decisions have certainly opened them up for criticism.

    I agree that Rockets Dynasty may have some farout ideas (like picking up Francis) but his ideas are no stranger than some of the others currently posted in other threads. We all want to see this team do well and win it all - it's just that there exists a great difference of opinion how to go about doing that.
     
  6. XxShadyPinkxX

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    :D thanks for tha new sig
     
  7. Van Gundier

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    Nothing wrong with venting, but baseless claims about facts, as pointed out before, are a waste of time.

    I also find it curious that people think Snyder is worthless because he was acquired cheap; on the other hand, Rudy Gay is supposed to be the Second Coming even though according to these same people, Memphis acquired him cheap.

    Does being acquired cheaply mean you suck or not? Make a decision.
     
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    Same goes for stro. Why do people complain that he has so much potential but was given away so we made a horrible mistake. Now we pick up a guy with potential that was given away and he must suck cuz we got him cheap.

    Everyone complains about the offseason and that the Rox are trying to fail. I say we go out and sign Tim Duncan, Chris Paul and Michael Redd as our PF, PG and SG. Then we should get Elton Brand to back up Duncan and D-Wade and Lebron can come off the bench for us in the swingman positions. Management is doing what it can in a weak free agent year. Honestly, the big player moves this summer have been Big ben and Peja and neither one would be worth it to the Rox for the amount of money spent.
     
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    Thanks. That is a really nice find. Snyder sounds a lot more intelligent than I thought he would. I've sort of gotten the impression that he's a bit of a bonehead with some of his antics, but maybe he's a bit deeper than all that. Hopefully he can straighten up his head and game under Gundy.
     
  11. Deckard

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    Sometimes people forget that you can be intelligent, but be a deliberate learner... have a good head on your shoulders, but an emotional, aggressive streak in you, too. Often people, and players, are pigeonholed by a couple of events that cause the body of your work and ability to be overlooked. Let's hope that's what we have with Snyder. If so, we just got lucky.
     
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    I like this kid. I caught the end of the segment on fox 26's interview with him talking about his "tenacious d". Did anyone catch the whole interview???
     
  13. Van Gundier

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    Here's one thing I like about Snyder:

    Last season, 10% of his FG attempts were dunks and he made 93.5% of these dunk attempts. Rockets really didn't have any guards who could really finish with authority last aseason... in fact, Bogans frustrated me with his missed weak layup attempts.
     
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    This is looking to be one of CD's best deals in years. With each passing day, I'm falling in love with the possibility of what Snyder may bring us. I love his toughness and aggression, he's a capable shooter and it seems that he actually brags about his defensive ability, which is always a plus. He's also had some great coaching his first 2 years in Sloan and Scott so I'm hoping this third year reaps the benefits of that tutelage.
     
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    Since everyone is all over me about my saying I believe the Rockets think Snyder is a championship piece........


    Am I the only person here who reads between the lines?


    Let's see, I've read quotes from JVG and Morey at least half a dozen times that the goal is clearly to win the title next year and anything less means they failed in the goal.

    Then they specifically get Snyder and Cd says well he has no compettion really at SG...................


    THEN when a fan points out what a contradiction this appears to be BAM attacked and called out for being overly critical.

    Yeah ok
     
  18. jopatmc

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    The goal is to win a championship every year when you have TMac and Yao on your team.


    Morey's comments:

    "At the end of the day, the goal is the same no matter what route you took," Morey said. "I think the general manager, whether he was a scout or coach or took another more traditional road, is trying to get the right players, to get the right mix of players and a coach that can get the most production out of the players he has to create a championship-caliber team.

    "Whatever perspective you bring, the goal is the same. Whether you make the right decisions or not is what separates general managers."


    They aren't claiming Synder is "the piece". By getting Snyder, they are saying he has a chance to be a piece of the puzzle. Of course, he may not be. And if so, he will move on.
     
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    Isn't that MY POINT?

    They are supposedly doing everything to win a title, yetwhen it somes down to it, all they are really doing is finding the cheapest solutions...........

    at least it appears that way so far.

    Snyder may be good enough to be the starting SG but it's questionable...........

    the move is based on CHEAPNESS and potential.

    Some fans seem to have fallen in love with this method, I'm seeing through the BS --->

    They are not actually trying to win a championship with the moves they are making.

    It seems a lot of fans are just fine with the Rockets management, I am definitely not.

    I am looking at 3 years with Yao and T-Mac and not seeing them get close, that's how it is looking to me.

    It's more like they are trying NOT to win it.

    I guess I am completely in the minority here, but I'm pretty disgusted with the direction Alexander is going.
     
  20. Van Gundier

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    They offered Mike James 4 years at the MLE, the most they can offer him, but Mike James took Minny's offer over a trade kicker. Doesn't look cheap to me, spending the most that they can under the rules.

    Now, they got Snyder who fits the teams nees, has a good production rate for the minutes he was given. Is it their fault that he only makes 1.5 mil under the rookie contract?

    What should they have done, look for someone more expensive just to make you happy?

    Besides, there are still at least 3 roster spots open and the rest of the offseson to make deals. They are going to sign more players, just like most teams will.

    Can people wait until the roster is formed before calling the organization cheap?


    What would the "Les Alexander is a cheapskate" brigade want to happen? Who would you realistically go after with what asset?
     

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