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UPDATE: Mike James chooses Timberwolves

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by liamrock, Jul 11, 2006.

  1. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    Muck Fike James
     
  2. Swami

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    I could not agree more! Gator this post is money. :D
     
  3. anitasri

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    Are you serious? When did JVG start Deciding on Contracts- shows your knowledge of how things work.
     
  4. anitasri

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    I am not sure about the agent part- but if I recall RHESTER was the gentleman that posted something prior to the draft which was dramatically removed as it contained "confidential' stuff!!!!!

    Rhester- any chance you can post the same article now, that we really dont have much left to hide!
     
  5. BMoney

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    Dawson may not be a perfect GM, but he is honest. The problem with the trade clause is that it makes James essentially untradeable. I think that's a bad road to go down with any player. I am a Rockets fan and I want the team to be able to do whatever it takes to win championships. Trades are apart of that. If Otis Thorpe can get traded after being a key part to an NBA championship then so can James. Mike James has a lot of good qualities as a person and player, but he's not perfect. He's on the wrong side of 30 and on the wrong side of mental stability. He's not Ron Artest, but he is a bit of a nutter. I could see how he might cause problems. Dawson offered as many years and as much money as any other team. If he can't accept that then we shouldn't want him.
     
  6. Nero

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    What the..?

    Minnesota did not do anything but try to HELP us on draft night. If those jerkwad blazers hadn't screwed us over by taking Foye a pick ahead of us, Minny was going to trade Roy to us for Foye.

    But once Portland jumped in a took Foye, Minny was forced to deal with Portland instead of us.

    So just understand, the only team that screwed us on Draft night was Portland.
     
  7. Desert Scar

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    No it doesn't, it just makes us pony up another 15% if we were to trade. Given we now allow for 25% + 100K standard exemption to make deals work, not difficult at all to trade him strait up or in a multiple player deal even with the kicker--not that we should want to. Hell, Mike James at a 4 year deal for 28-29 mil (mil 25 contract + 15% trade kicker) would be a hell of deal for another team, hell of a deal. That is why balking on a trade kicker was so stupid, A) we probably wouldn't trade him, and B) if we did trade him his value is still very high even if you factored in the kicker!!!.
     
  8. BigM

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    zboy owned. jvg haters use the same bored/baseless complaints time and time again. gotta give them credit for being persistant, i guess.
     
  9. Desert Scar

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    You are exaggerating the difficulty ("severely limit"). Before when those deals were made there was a 15% standard exemption for teams over the cap to match salaries (+ 100K I believe)--of course it would be tricky to match with a 15% trade kicker, at least on 1 on 1 deals for sure.

    But as you well know there is a 25% exemption + 100K in place since last offseason. With a 15% trade kicker you can still do 1 on 1 deals (in James case you probably only have to get say within 13-14% if both teams are over the cap) and they are only modestly more difficult than the old rules to do trades without any kickers involved (and lots of trades happened before liberalization to the 25% rule last year, something else I know you know), and multiple player deals it is even less impacted.

    It is a minor complication at best in terms of moving him down the line, not that we should want to.
     
  10. TTRocket

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    major ownage on zboy once again
     
  11. dragon167

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    For god sake, blount, malick rose, patterson and szczerbiak all have trade kickers in their contracts. They were all traded recently and that's why we know they have. Just because you dont know who has the kicker doesnt mean it's a rare thing. You dont know because it's not announced. You ask any non rockets, wolves or mavs fans today and nobody can tell you Mike James has a trade kicker in his new contract. If he doesnt have such a big mouth, even fans of these 3 teams dont know he has it. BECAUSE THE CONTRACT TERMS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ANNOUNCED. okay? I love how some of you tell us who hasnt such clause so MJ desnt deserve it. How do you know? Do you know whether KG has such clause? Do you know whether LJ will have such clause? Of course you dont. If blount, malick rose and patterson can have it, I sure as hell MJ can. YES WE ARE THAT DESPERATE FOR TALENTS. Except you are happy to make the playoffs and to be eliminated in ist round every year.
     
  12. RiceDaddy7

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    Wow. Maybe that explains why we haven't traded Juwan Howard yet. Either that or he's been having good butt sex with JVG.
     
  13. Zboy

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    The only ownage I have seen recently is of Rockets.

    First by Memphis. Jerry West pracitcally raped the Rockets in broad daylight.

    And then Mike james had his fun with salt on the wound at rockets expense.

    The last major ownage i witnessed before that was 40+ spanking Dallas laid on JVG's team in game 7 of the playoffs.

    Still waiting for FAs lining up to play for JVG......

    Last I checked JVG has yet to take Rockets past the 1st round.
     
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    If you are so naive as to belive JVG has no play on who comes and for how long then I dont even know where to begin...

    Apparently you havent been playing close attention to the Rockets ever since JVG took over them.
     
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  15. Zboy

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    Sad state for rockets fans when they are licking the wounds from the Rudy Gay and Mike James Fiasco and the only thing to cheer is a make believe ownage of "Zboy"

    Enjoy a lousy upcoming season. :D
     
  16. ktvoss

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    arent you a rockets fan? if jvg gets extended, are you going to keep saying this?
     
  17. Zboy

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    If JVG gets extended, yes I will.

    As long as JVG interferes in who comes to play for Rockets AND he sticks to his stubborn ways, Rockets are wasting Tmac/Yao combo.

    I have always said it,and I will stick to it.

    Sorry but nothing JVG has done so far has convinced me otherwise.
     
  18. fred futureStar

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    I don't guess the front office will be happy until:

    they give away the house, the boat, the barn, the livestock, the savings, and disenchant all fan base until the polar ice caps melt. I thought only baseball teams did this type of thing.

    Can someone please tell me the up side of all up sides to the current Rockets mindset and game plan?

    If there is vision mixed with intelligence to affect immediate results for far reaching effects please inform me ASAP before I default my favorite team passion to a more likely and formidable city.

    Wow - talk about wheels coming off........I can hear the thud and echo of a bouncing ball in a very large empty space.
     
  19. Desert Scar

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    I don't think JVG is the chief problem with out front office, but he may be part.

    When we traded KT and a pick for James Posey, but then didn't match a measly 4 year MLE to keep that young player we just traded a few months before to attain, was a real bad sign for our organizational awareness (and spending). It was just inept planning. We had to know it would take an MLE to keep KT or JP, and if we didn't want to add either one why bother giving a pick too. Cheap and inept planning.

    Our front office has helped us get Tmac and Yao (maybe not easy to set up, but easy decisions once presented), but have had a series of really, really bad personnel moves to surround them with what we need.

    CD and/or Les, that is our #1 problem. They are running the team schizo is the positive spin, the negative cynical spin is they are bleeding Yao and Tmac for all their worth (these two alone will keep some fans happy enough) at the best possible profit margin. No coach could salvage the team being as handicapped and visionless as our front office.

    I’d like to see all 3 go, I think CD actually may be least culpable because he may have the least power.
     
  20. terse

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    I think it's more like MJ didn't trust CD and JVG, which is why he asked for some sign of commitment from the Rox in the form of the trade kicker. After what they put him through, I don't blame him at all.
     

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