If women are cheaper more productive workers, why in the hell would a company ever hire a man? Note to all corporations, fire your male workforce and replace with women for a competitive advantage.
It's time for a cultural change. Men don't have any positive role models. The image of the "real man" (a voluntarily ignorant, immature, and irresponsible oaf) that is churned out everywhere as a pathetic insecure reaction to feminism is a cancer on our society. We should aspire to be more than the dumbass blue collar sitcom father.
Oh spare me the outrage, Deckard! I am advocating a change in the work culture that often times is 'hostile' to women in our society, not saying that all women belong in the kitchen. In case you haven't noticed, there are real differences between how boys and girls are nurtured in our society, and most men/women carry those cultural 'stigmas' -- if you will -- into the workplace, which often times does have an impact on their careers. I still stand by my statement that the corporate culture in America favors men and is not 'neutral' as you seem to think...
Why should I spare you my outrage, as you put it? We have seen this attitude time and again in our country, by well-meaning people, who fail to see how they are perpetuating discrimination by doing so. Get a cup of coffee, and think about it, tiger. i'm serious here. Women are being discriminated in the workplace all over this country, and men keep making excuses, even well-meaning men, who don't realize it, much the same way they spoke of Blacks during our post-ERA era. It's well-meaning, unconscious discrimination, in my opinion. I think you both are fine posters here, but on this topic, you are still a ways from getting it. Again, in my opinion. With all due respect. Keep D&D Civil.
I think women should be free to earn as much as men and do whatever they are capable of doing with just compensation, as long as they're naked. Except the fat ones.
In the context that I used, yes, there is no difference. Discrimination, in all it's forms, is an evil of society. Women suffer it for their sex. Others because of their race. Still others because of their religion. I try to be color blind, RR. Don't hold it against me! Keep D&D Civil.
this is an intersting topic and I wish more women posted here. my experience with women in the work force is that women in less skilled jobs, have to walk a thin line between competing with men and remaining "lady like". because if they play too much of the traditonal role of a woman, they won't be respected, and they are too aggressive they develop a reputation of being a "b****". as far as more skilled jobs, say for instance engineering, you are promoted more on your skills and may the best man or woman win out.
I've been impressed with Biden, on the occasions I've been able to hear him expound on his positions. I don't think the plagerism thing is any worse than the things most politicians have in their closet. Certainly not as bad as some of the things Bush has in his. I'll admit to not knowing anything about a comment on Native Americans that Batman referred to. Maybe someone can clue me in? Somehow I missed it. Liking Biden is another example of the dearth of possible Presidential candidates for the Democrats. He certainly wouldn't be my 1st, 2nd, or 3rd choice, but compares favorably to who the GOP might run in '08, in my opinion. I would much prefer Obama, as I've said. It's not even close. A distant second, but not as distant as he used to be, would be Al Gore. The guy has finally found his voice. Hey, I so agree with a desire to have more women post in D&D, and elsewhere on the BBS, and to hear their take on this issue. I'd love to have as much diversity here as possible. Heck, I even miss Creepy a little, tiny, miniscule bit. Keep D&D Civil.
Deckard: I think you posted that last one in the wrong thread, but here you go anyway. Oh, and it wasn't Native Americans -- it was Indian Americans. http://www.crooksandliars.com/posts/2006/07/06/biden-india-and-dunkin-doughnuts/ Biden: "In Delaware, the largest growth of population is Indian Americans, moving from India. You cannot go to a 7/11 or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I’m not joking." And here's him defending one racist stereotype with another: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1662553/posts "I was making the point that up until now in my state, we've had a strong Indian community made up of leading scientists and researchers and engineers," Biden said. Lately, he said: "We're having middle- class people move to Delaware, take over Dunkin' Donuts, take over businesses, just like other immigrant groups have, and I was saying that ... they're growing, it's moving." "I could have said that 40 years ago about walking into a delicatessen and saying an Italian accent in my state," Biden added. ======================== But none of that means squat next to his stupid ass support of this stupid ass war. I can't believe someone as educated as you are on the war would even think about supporting Biden in 08. Of all the potential Dem candidates only HRC holds a candle to Biden for carrying water for Bush on Iraq.
Thanks, Batman. That was a pretty stupid thing for a politician to say. He should stay in the Senate. I still like his take on a lot of issues, and he's been pretty eloquent, at times, pointing out just what the Administration is doing to America and the world. Keep D&D Civil.
The administration has done nothing so awful to America or the world as the Iraq war. And on that, he has had Biden's support. I don't just oppose him in the 08 presidential race -- I wish he'd retire.
No thanks... I want to keep the seat in the Senate. Batman, it's impossible for these people to be anywhere close to perfect. I know you and I have a record here opposing the war, but Congress was lied to by Bush, and there are few Democrats who haven't had their stand on the war evolve since it began. If we had every Democrat guilty of the "sins" of Biden about Iraq retire, we would have little chance of winning one or both branches of Congress in November. I admire zeal, but it needs to have a dose of realism in the cocktail, don't you think? Keep D&D Civil.
There is about a zero percent chance the Democrats wouldn't retain Biden's seat, so let's just leave that out of the equation entirely. I agree there are very few D's that haven't evolved on Iraq since finding out about Bush's various lies and diversions there -- the problem is that Biden's one of those few. He, not I, is the one that needs a "dose of realism in the cocktail." If he remains unwilling to oppose Bush on Iraq and do what's necessary to stop the bleeding there I wish someone that is willing to do that would oppose him in the Dem primary next time he's up for re-election. Regardless of all that, I am surprised at your support of him. There are very, very few D's to the right of him on Iraq. And there is no issue more urgent facing this country today. Biden needs to wake up or go home.
I saw him back in early April, on Politically Incorrect, and I liked what he had to say. Unfortunately, I can't find a link to video of the April 7th show, the one he was on, and the couple of quotes from Biden on Mahr's HBO site are taken out of context, but I'll post them anyway: On Missed Opportunities "I'll tell you what I remember about 9/11. I remember the people the age of those people out there lined up, single-file, block after block after block after block after block, waiting to give blood. And after they were told none was needed. It was a silent scream: 'Let me help.' What the hell has anybody asked anybody in this country to do, in terms of building this country? What would have happened if the president had gone and said, right after 9/11, 'I have an energy policy. It's going to be painful. This is what it's going to take, and I expect you to do it.' They would have all responded." – Sen Joe Biden Biden was talking about a pet peeve of mine, that Bush, had he a brain, could have accomplished a huge amount here at home, right after 9/11, if he had had the imagination to recognize the opportunity, and had the least bit of interest in a progressive agenda, or any agenda, besides the one he chose. That Americans were ready and willing to sacrifice for the nation, after such a tragedy. I've heard very little from politicians about that missed chance. Forgetting my own interest in a progressive agenda, this was the time to raise taxes to pay for the coming conflict in Afghanistan, to get a real program going to slash dependence on oil, so we wouldn't be so tied to the Middle East, the major source of terrorism against us. One could go on at length about what Bush could have done. Biden addressed that, and I liked it. On Bush's Call To Go To War "I think he makes these decisions based on his instincts and then prays he's right." – Sen Joe Biden Like I said, you would have to see the whole interview. He really slammed Bush, and was critical of the decision to go to war with Iraq, that he was mislead, and the quote speaks for itself. Biden is flawed, there's no question about it, but he impressed me on that program, and spoke in a much more relaxed way about these issues than I've seen him do before. Keep D&D Civil.
The solution, then, might not be to repeat the paradigm about superior male leadership. (Even though I realize this is a forum, and not a think tank, which means opinions and ideals - in either direction - probably have more currency than outcome.) Unfortunately, the net effect of this type of statement is to simply reinforce aims of those who really don't want women leading in the workplace, and to implicitly justify any actions to that effect. Even though you make what I feel is a solid, more substantive observation about nurturing, the conventional "wisdom" of inferior female leadership is what resonates, because, frankly, it's probably what lots of people want to hear.
