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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by docgundy, Jul 9, 2006.

  1. Yetti

    Yetti Member

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    I agree with them! I see that we still need two more players, another shooting Guard and a POWER FORWARD. We need a big, strong,quick and athletic Power Forward to help Yao Mings game. Battier is neither strong, quick, big or athletic and can only play a limited role at the Power Forward Position. I consider that this is a fundamental mistake of the Rockets Management. Also a replacement for Mutombo should be found and included in our 15 man Roster. [ Mutombo is on his last legs! ] If we are going to match up with the best teams then Cd etc must get us more quality players!:p
     
  2. drpepper

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    As long as we continue to trade long, athletic, fast players that go to the rim with authority for slow role players that can't create but can take charges and hit the occasional 3, we won't get out of the 1st round. Period.

    go rockets..............
     
  3. ktvoss

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    why would extra points mention john lucas?
     
  4. Rockets Dynasty

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    I know everyone seems to think T-Mac at 235 is too much, but people need to realize he isn't really 6-8, he's REALLY 6-10.

    He's actually 6-10 with a 7-4 wingspan, so in reality 235 is probably a decent weight for him.

    I would guess around 225 would be ideal.

    But people need to realize he's a lot bigger than his listing, so the weight thing needs to be judged in that context.
     
  5. Yetti

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    Don't get us mixed up with Phoenix we are still playing the Big Mans Game . The Rockets Game goes through Yao Ming, if you play this style of Basketball you need a more traditional but athletic Power Forward. If Battier is out on the wing how will he be able to play the position of Power Forward? Its a big mistake in my opinion.
     
  6. crash5179

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    How do we know this? :confused:
     
  7. Doctor Robert

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    I have never heard this.
     
  8. rserina

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    Well, look who Dallas lost to in the finals: a team playing a pair of similarly sized fours as Battier. Shane always played the post until coming to the NBA, at which time he tightened up his physique to improve quickness on the wing. But he could easily add a little weight and defend the post just as well as Haslem and Walker.

    Now, I don't think Battier should put in 35 minutes a game at the four, but he is a very practical option for 20 minutes a game.
     
  9. Rockets Dynasty

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    Well for one thing Battier may be listed at 6-8 220 but that's another one of these totally bogus listings.

    First, Battier is one of the NBA players that chooses to be listed barefoot, rather than in shoes.

    He's actually the same exact height in shoes as Steve Novak is in shoes per both players draft measurements.

    Battier should actually be listed at 6-9.

    Also Battier is listed at 220, but he gained 10 pounds in his rookie year to go up to 230, a few profiles did update that.

    Also last year on one of the Grizz games on League Pass, I remember the Grizz announcers saying that Battier really weighs about 240.

    He's listed at 6-8 220, but he's really more like 6-9 240 (Padgett goes about 6-9 245 supposedly)

    Also Battier is quite strong even for his size (stronger than a typical SF for sure) and he also has a rather long wingspan, like other "undersized PF's" like Kenny Thomas, Elton Brand, Shelden Williams and so forth.

    I believe he has a 7-2 wingspan, not quite T-Mac's 7-4 wingspan or Yao's 7-6 wingspan, but still good enough at PF.

    So actually for Battier at

    6-9 240
    7-2 wingspan
    strong player

    He certainly can play the 4, he's more like a Padgett or a Garritty guys that can play the 3 or 4.
     
  10. crash5179

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    Yetti,
    Why??? With two post players it is much more easy for the power forwards defender to cheat over onto Yao and still get back to his own man if need be. If your power forward is further out on the floor then he takes a defender with him providing he can hit the open shot.

    I would much rather have Yao Ming in the post going one on one against a defender then having him have to fight multible post defenders to get his baskets. If the defense decides to double Yao Ming then it seems perfect to have a power forward out on the floor that can hit the long ball when Yao passes it back to him.
     
  11. Rockets Dynasty

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    It's actually quite common knowledge that T-Mac is actually 6-10 with a 7-4 wingspan.

    First he was drafted at age 17 and at age 17 he was measured at 6-8 barefoot (he chose barefoot listing instead of shoes) and with a 7-2 wingspan.

    He grew more from age 17 and ended up being 6-10 and change in shoes and 7-4 wingspan.

    This has been confirmed, by the Rockets, by T-Mac himself in Slam Magazine, by Duncan and Kg who noted how much bigger T-Mac is than listed, by Doc Rivers (T-Mac's coach in Orlando, etc.)

    Stro Swift is listed barefoot, he's actually 6-9 1/2 barefoot according to his combine results.

    Mike Miller is 6-9 in shoes and 6-8 barefoot (he also chooses barefoot listing).

    Just look at T-Mac next to them if you doubt he's really 6-10.

    Doc Rivers stated that T-Mac ended up at 6-9 1/2 barefoot and that he personally measured him at Orlando.

    He also said that T-Mac had a 7-3 wingspan then, which T-Mac and JVG said ended up at 7-4 eventually when finally stoppedgrowing and that's what the Rockets measured him at.


    There's a reason why T-Mac can be more effective than anyone else at guarding someone like Dirk, it's because he's that athletic and quick but also MUCH bigger than people think.

    Kobe chooses barefoot listing , so does Vince Carter.

    Both measured 6-6 barefoot per combine results.

    Kobe like T-Mac was measured at age 17 and still growing.

    Some times the Lakers announcers would mention Kobe actually ended up about 6-7 barefoot.

    Again this is why Kobe seems so huge versus guys like Mobley, so much moreso than a perceived "2 inches."

    Now look at Kobe next to T-Mac.

    Hell Jermaine O'Neal came in the league at age 17 and measured 6-11 in shoes.

    Jermaine and the Pacers have said he grew just one more inch to 7-0 in shoes (but like Duncan/KG and other 7 footers that want to play PF he sticks with the 6-11)

    Now look at those recent pics of T-Mac (even with his head tilted a bit) standing next to 7-0 in shoes JO.

    T-Mac is MUCH bigger than people realize, there is a GOOD reason why he cannot play SG anymore. He's just way too big now to be able to handle that position easily on the perimiter.
     
  12. Like A Breath

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    Kobe can't be 6'7" barefoot. LeBron is 6'7" barefoot and looks like he has 2 inches on him.
     
  13. Deckard

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    I admit to thinking Tracy was taller than Swift at times. It was probably psychological. Swift plays smaller than he is.
     
  14. Rockets Dynasty

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    You actually believe LeBron is 6-7 barefoot?
     
  15. crash5179

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    I have not seen anything official that TMac is 6'10" and 240. Not arguing the point but I have seen nothing official.

    If TMac is that hieght why not play him at Power Forward?
     
  16. Rockets Dynasty

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    If you actually go by combine results and T-Mac's measurement for Slam Magazine, they are either both 6-9 1/2 barefoot or T-Mac is 6-9 1/2 barefoot and Swift 6-9 barefoot as he has two seperate listings so it may be either one.

    People need to realize that the player profile heights are often innacurate either way.

    Some players are definitely shorter than listed, some definitely taller.

    Thers is also the well known practice of being listed to your position because you want to be perceived as a say PF even though you are 7 feet or taller.

    Just like a bunch of these undersized PF's are listed taller.

    Or how guys like Barkley and Rodman keep shrinking because they want to exagerrate how undersized they are to make their rebounding prowess seem better.

    Steve Jones even called Walton out on this one time when Walton was saying how Hakeem was only about 6-10 1/2, when Jones said yeah they want to make Hakeem seem like a 7-0 a "true center" but then again you are supposedly only 6-11 in shoes and we measured you at 7-0 barefoot in Portland, but you wanted to be one of those athletic 6-11 guys like Duncan and KG and JO, all a bunch of 7 footers lying about their height just like you.
     
  17. Rockets Dynasty

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    He's not 240, he's 235 now out of shape, he's more like 6-10 220 225 in game shape.

    He's not a PF, he's a SF who can play positions 1 through 4, very much like Scottie Pippen.

    Also very much like Pippen his listings are BS and he's way bigger than people think.

    Pippen started of 6-7, then went to 6-8, then was claiming he was 6-9 when people noted him staring eye to eye with Hakeem (who claimed 6-10 1/2 barefoot)

    But Pippen was another guy who liked how it made him look that at "only 6-7" he could guard Pf's.

    The heights are a bunch of BS often just like the weights.

    Yea midget Tj Ford is reallt 6-0 and monster Shaq is really 325
     
  18. thacabbage

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    :confused:

    Barkley is listed at 6'6 but his real height is 6'4.5...
     
  19. Rockets Dynasty

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    No actually he's about 6-6 barefoot. But it added to the myth of his prowess that at 6-4 1/2 he could dominate the boards.

    Barkley was caught in this when his mucg shot came out.
     
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