I think the trade must be made BEFORE Atlanta made the pick. When the Hawks is on the clock the trade must be finalized. At #8 Atl will pick someone (it doesn't matter if Williams is available).
Come on now. Bargnani is going to be gone. Do you not agree that out of the top 6 that Roy meets our needs best? Why bring up Aldridge? You are the guy that has been harping on us needing a shooter. Aldridge is 180 degrees away from that. You know we don't need him. If Roy is on the board, isn't he the best fit for our team at #5 over everybody else?
Aldridge........I'm just saying why would it "have" to be Roy, I think you exaggerated. I don't know I think I would still want Morrison over Roy if both were available, maybe Gay as well.
Dude, Morrison doesn't fit this team as well as Roy. Yes, if Roy is gone, then you look at Morrison. But Morrison is a 3. He cannot guard 2 guards. He probably can't even guard small forwards right now. Roy is the type of player that can guard SGs and small forwards and point guards at times, along with playing the SG on offense. I'd love to have Morrison but only if Roy is gone. Surely you can see that. And Gay is a 19 year old kid who still has a lot of growing to do. Yeah, I'd consider him if both Roy and Morrison were gone, and I would be tempted to trade up for him. But beyond that, Ty Thomas and Aldridge are not worth giving up Head and going up to #5. Not because they are not good players, but because they don't fit what we need. We just sit at 8 and wait and see what happens if Roy, Morrison, Gay, and Bargnani are gone. 1. Bargnani 2. Thomas 3. Gay 4. Morrison 5. Roy 6. Aldridge 7. MW 8. Shelden 9. Foye 10. Brewer is the most likely scenario for this draft. A couple things we know almost for sure. Toronto is going to make sure they get Bargnani which means they probably aren't going to be able to make a trade. And Atlanta is set on Shelden. Those 2 things are known. The other thing that is known is if CHicago takes either Thomas or ALdridge at #2, then on of Roy, Morrison, or Gay will be there at 5. Most likely it will be Gay or Roy. Morrison should not get past Portland. If Roy is there then the deal is a no-brainer. If Gay is the one left at 6, then it is debatable. But, don't try to come up with some bologna that somebody else would be better. If Roy is there and the trade is on the table, we will make that trade and we will be happy next year too.
If I were CD this is the trade I would try to make: Atlanta gets: Juwan Howard, Rafer Alston, + #8 (and maybe next years #1) for Joe Johnson. This tade might seem one sided but Atlanta would really be filling a lot of holes with this deal. They fill their frontcourt with Sheldon Williams @ 8 and possibility replace Johnson with Roy who can step in and replace Johnson without much of a set back. Alston can really flourish playing in the open court style the Hawks are able to play because of their young athletes. Houston would make the trade because it fill the all important third option with Johnson being able to play any of the 1, 2, or 3 spots. Sure we might be slim in the back court, but Yao and T-Mac finally found a running mate to keep defenses honest. Atlanta Trade Breakdown Outgoing Joe Johnson 6-7 SG from Arkansas 20.2 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 6.5 apg in 40.7 minutes Incoming Juwan Howard 6-9 PF from Michigan 11.8 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.4 apg in 31.7 minutes Rafer Alston 6-2 PG from Frenso State 12.1 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 6.8 apg in 38.6 minutes Change in team outlook: +3.7 ppg, +6.6 rpg, and +1.7 apg. Houston Trade Breakdown Outgoing Juwan Howard 6-9 PF from Michigan 11.8 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 1.4 apg in 31.7 minutes Rafer Alston 6-2 PG from Frenso State 12.1 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 6.8 apg in 38.6 minutes Incoming Joe Johnson 6-7 SG from Arkansas 20.2 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 6.5 apg in 40.7 minutes Change in team outlook: -3.7 ppg, -6.6 rpg, and -1.7 apg. Successful Scenario Due to Houston being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Houston had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Joe Johnson is worth a lot more than that, especially after last season. The man can play almost every position and put up 40 points in a game. That being said, Atlanta has not shown any interest in trading him.
I think you can't withdraw at this point. The schedule is next: 1. 1-4 picks 2. Atl is on the clock 3. trade is made 4. Rockets select #5 5. 6-7 picks 6. Hawks select #8 You swap draft picks (#5 and #8) not players (Roy and Williams).
false. players have been swapped during the draft many times. I remember one draft a couple players were swapped around and they had already been to the podium so they just traded hats, etc. I'm sure it could happen here as well.
I think the reason is the trade was announced after the draft. Ok. If you're right it might be happen. The Rockets asks the Hawks to choose Roy #5. Bargnani falls to the 8th spot and we draft him. After that we cancel the trade and keep the Italian. Finally Atlanta drafted a SG instead of a PF...
Something to think about: If Fox News and everyone else, and their mother, are reporting that we are feverishly trying to move up to get Roy, don't you think that there's a strong possibility that it's all BS? I mean, CD is usually pretty tight lipped about the draft, and no team benifits from giving away thier true target days before the draft. It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. My point is that, although Roy would be a great fit for Houston, it wouldn't surprise me if this was one big smokescreen, and that we are targeting someone else.
About a week ago I pointed out that Foye could be a smarter, better-defender Steve Francis. Raised some eyebrows. Side-note, crazy little thought: If a 3-way trade with Atlanta, using Luther and one of our PF's (probably Stro) could send Brandon Roy, local favorite, to Seattle, and Rashard (using Moochie TE) to Houston....? Never mind. Nice to dream.
Injuries are gonna kill us in these situations. 8 is good. Why move up and lose some of our important assets? Luther has proven himself a talent and a potential contributor. He has skills, and will. He's the kind of player we need to put around Yao and T-Mac, one of the few shooters in our team. Last time I looked through the draft, I thought we were looking for depth and range. You are giving up both. Roy is good and all, but not a must get. No one can tell about this draft. I think in the situation now, we can get a great player with the 8th pick. It isn't necessary to move up, IMO.
Most people aren't assuming Tellem is running the draft. Most are assuming that Charlotte doesn't draft Roy. You are assuming that they do. Guess what....NO ONE HERE KNOWS, unless you have MJ on speed dial (if so can ya hook me up with an autographed jersey). I would be happy to give up Head (a bench player that we can replace with the MLE) for Bargaini, LA, Morrison, Roy or Gay (all potential starters for us).
i agree with you. well, unless it's arn leaking it. of course, today if agents told the truth to the media it would be the first. how much is the printed interest in Roy driven by houston versus that which is propagated by arn? My thought is that it is Arn. If it's the rockets tipping the media then I concur whole heartedly, that it could be a smokescreen made by the rockets. I don't see the value in announcing your intentions before the draft. We'll see on draft night IF the trade goes down should Roy be off of the board at the five. I think that the target is actually Gay or Barg. I only hope that we move up to five and enjoy the fruits of giving up Head. At five, under any circumstance, there will be a value player for our taking --- and the target could easily be someone else.
No Kidding. After getting all hyped up for the Texans draft (and being disappointed...but thats for another forum) I learned that what they say is pretty much ALWAYS untrue.
Well the leak doesn't have to come from CD. It could be from Atlanta or Roy's Agent (probably the most likely culprit).
