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Forget Mike James, Sign Bobby Jax; Stro Trade; + Miles Trade

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  1. DJ Naztorious

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    Table of Contents For This Post:
    (1st) BJax
    (2nd) Trading with NJ
    (3rd) DMiles+4/JuHo+8 Trade
    (4th) Draft Hopes + Plans, including Seattle's #10
    (5th) Possible Line-Ups
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    (1st) Sacramento Bee - http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/14269916p-15080874c.html
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    "Former Kings guard and free-agent-to-be Bobby Jackson has decided not to risk his next contract and won't play until he has signed with a new team. The guard, who has made it clear he has no desire to return to the Memphis Grizzlies, becomes a free agent July 1."

    sorry for making a new thread. this had not been posted yet, and I honestly think BJax would be a better, maybe even cheaper, alternative to MJ-WHO-MJ. we all know how passionate of a player he is/was in Sacto, and though he's 1 inch shorter than MJames and once swung at TMac years ago, he has less of an ego than MJames [less clashing] and is not chasing the kinda green cash that MJames publicly is.
    he is instant offense + defense + hustle off the bench or in the line-up, is a great shooter, and knows the importance of ball movement.
    to me, the choice is clear. Vote Bobby Jax.
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    (2nd)
    Like a true CFer, i propose a Swift trade that many of you will laugh at, and some of you will agree with.

    Scotty the Body Padgett did not get much playing time in NJ. We all miss Scotty, especially JVG. Scotty knows our system, having played here under JVG, and would provide that PF with Range that we need.

    Padgett will make $1.8 million. We have a $1.6M TE. I propose that we trade for Padgett using the TE, and making up the difference in cash.
    If that is unable to work [there could be a number of reasons], then let's not forget how horny the Nets are over Swift.

    Swift will make $5.4M, and is a player that NJ STRONGLY desires, considering that they could couple him up with JKidd.
    Padgett will make $1.8M.
    Uncle Cliffy Robinson is a restricted free agent. NJ has a $2.5M team option on him. We would love him, as well, b/c not only does he have the 3-PT range that we want, but he also has the size/arms to play back-up 5. Let's not forget, however, that he's damaged/drugged-up goods.
    That's where Antoine Wright comes in. He was a rookie from A&M that did not get much playing time, but was one of Vitale's Diaper Dandies back in undergrad. He will be due $1.57M next season.

    NJ gets their fast-break-running 4/5 in Swift that they've been asking for, and we get their 'scrubs' [one man's trash is another man's treasure]. their best piece is probably Wright, just b/c he's a swingman that could be in their future plans.
    if you check realgm.com, the Trade works (TradeID: 3181297).

    Stro
    fo
    Scott Padgett
    Cliff Robinson
    Antoine Wright.

    if needed, we could throw in something like a future 2nd or whatever.

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    (3rd)
    DMiles is due $7.75M next year [HoopsHype.com], and also has a long, hefty contract, PLUS is on his way out of Portland after his past tumultuous season with Coach McMillan. he can play the 2 and 3 easily, and has the arms to play a 4. he's the prison's version of a Lamar Odom, a Shawn Marion, or even a Boris Diaw. to me, he's like a shorter Garnett with huge attitude problems. if T-Mac weren't here, i'd say no to D-Miles. his problem isn't effort [like Stro] - it's behavior. and i think with Mac, D-Miles will be okay here.
    JuHo is due ~$6.4M next year, has a contract that is a year shorter and millions less than Miles's, and could serve as a mature, calming influence in Jailblazer town.
    RyBo is a FA, but he has a Player's Option which he would be dumb not to exercise, simply because no one else in the league will pay him more than the minimum. He is beloved to JVG, is owed ~$1M next year, and, honestly, is no offense + half defense + all hustle.

    We get the #4 for #8 because taking DMiles off of Portland's hands, though they're losing a lot in talent, is addition-by-subtraction for them.

    JuHo,
    RyBo,
    #8

    for

    DMiles,
    #4.

    this trade works according to realgm. (Trade ID: 3181341).

    considering how much JVG was raving about Chuck Hayes in the last 'Breakfast with Coach,' it's clear that, with the re-signing of Hayes, either Juwan or Stro (or hopefully both!!!!) are on their way out.
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    (4th) The Draft
    Currently, we're picking 8th and 32nd. if the DMiles trade goes through, we vault from 8th up to 4th. with big players like LaMarcus, TT, Bargnani, Morrison, and Gay, i doubt that Roy will go in the top 2, and he cancelled his workout in front of Jordan and the Bobcats (#3) b/c he was hurt, so there's a pretty damn good chance that he will be there at #4.
    1st Round Picks
    Aldridge - i'm not impressed with LaMarcus at all. after watching his games in the tourney, he, to me, does not convince me that he's a big-time passionate player, as least not as passionate as someone like Morrison or Reddick.
    Bargnani - it's likely he's going first anyway, as evident by the Raptors signing his Italian coach, but i'm afraid of the transition he'll have to make to the NBA game. i'm afraid his transition will be more slow, like Milicic, Skita, and Lampe, and less fast like Okur and Dirk.
    Thomas - he has passion for blocking and rebounding, but he has about as much range as Chuck Hayes, and only has 2 inches on him. i like his motor, but i hate how he reminds me of a shorter Stromile with a range of 5 feet.
    Gay - athletic specimen, but less passion than Stromile. no thanks.
    Morrison - plenty of passion, great shooting, plenty hustle. i'm scared about the whole diabetes thing, but i wouldn't mind spending our pick on him. something tells me he's going to Charlotte at #3.
    Roy - should be our pick. the knee surgeries (PLURAL) scare me to death, considering he's only 21y.o., but he's a 1st-class talent, and the most mature and NBA-ready prospect in the whole draft.
    Marcus Williams - fat PG. did a pretty good job running things at UConn, but didn't strike me as someone worth more than late lottery/middle 1st pick.
    Foye - short combo guard with girth. reminds me of Steve with more range, higher IQ, smaller hops, and maybe more control. i like how he can handle both guard spots, i'm afraid he may be too short for guards like Kobe and DWade, but i would not mind picking him anywhere after 9 [and after Brewer and Roy are gone].
    O'Bryant - lol. we don't need him. the best thing he has going for him is that his last name is a mix of Shaq's and Kobe's.
    Shelden - at first i didn't like him b/c i didn't think he was mobile enough. but now i feel like he's every bit as good as LaMarcus, probably even better, but he's just 2 inches shorter. he's a shorter LaMarcus, with more of an enforcer mentality. wouldn't mind picking him after the 9 spot.
    Brewer - would love to pick him up at 8 or any spot after that. has everything but a pretty shot. we need this guy.
    Carney - Brewer with a better shot, but with less passion. he can be all buddy-buddy with TMac as much as he wants, but we saw how that experiment worked out with Swift. no thanks.
    Thabo - great physical specimen and international playing experience. sucks at shooting, and doesn't have a great handle. no thanks.
    Rondo - athletic, but too short for my taste. true, BobbyJax is short as well, but we've seen him play over the years.
    Alexander Johnson - i'm VERY intrigued with this guy. i would love to pick him up with a #15 or later pick. tremendous upside.
    JJ Reddick - i value shooting a lot. hopefully his back and DUI scare everyone off, and he drops out of the lottery. sure, he's not THAT athletic, but he's still very capable, and he certainly doesn't suck. he's used to being the focus of the defense. i would get him at #12 or later if he's still there.
    Cedric Simmons - i just plain like him. i'm too tired at this point to describe why he'd be good. great size.
    Saer Sene - he's like Badiane, but better. i just can't describe how. i'd pick him up after #15, say around the mid-20s, if he's still there.

    honestly, if we get the #4 pick, we have to pick Brandon Roy. he's perfect for us. we [or at least i] should hope/am hoping that: Gibson, Farmar, Sergio, O'Bryant, Thabo, Marcus Williams, and Carney all go high, with Brewer, Alexander Johnson, Reddick, Foye, Saer Sene, Cedric Simmons, and even Shelden dropping [and obviously Roy, as well].

    Seattle's #10 Draft Pick
    if they're offering this pick for cash, i say that we do it. if we have to trade Head for the #10 [which won't happen b/c they're trying to save money], i say that we have to do it.
    with this extra #10 Pick, we could pick up Foye or Brewer, or trade down [possibly with cash + future 2nd rounder for NOLA's #12 & 15] for some combination of Reddick, Cedric, Alexander, and/or Saer Sene.
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    (5th) Possible Line-Ups

    right now, we're sitting at:
    1: Rafer | Sura
    2: Head
    3: T-Mac | Bowen (option)
    4: Swift | Hayes | JuHo
    5: Yao | Deke
    with Wesley & Bogans likely to be offered vet. minimum contracts out of our FAs.
    we have a full MLE ~ $5+ million, a $4.2M TE, a $1.6M TE, the #8 pick [which hopefully becomes the #4 pick], the #32 pick, and the rights to V-Span [as well as Badiane, Kyle Hill, and Venson Hamilton].
    *i hate to burst your bubbles guys [some of you], but i doubt that V-Span will come over. it has less to do with money, and more to do with competition - that EuroLeague Cup or whatever it's called will be held in Greece this year, so he wants to win it, and will likely not come until next year (after they win it this year).
    our current line-up sucks.

    with the DMiles Trade and Drafting of Roy and Novak/Millsap (#32), it becomes:

    1: Rafer | Sura
    2: BRoy | Head
    3: TMac | DMiles | Novak/Millsap
    4: Hayes | Stro | DMiles | Novak/Millsap
    5: Yao | Deke | Stro

    with the Padgett TE trade:

    1: Rafer | Sura
    2: BRoy | Head
    3: TMac | DMiles
    4: Hayes | Stro | Padgett | Novak/Millsap
    5: Yao | Deke | Stro

    with the Stro-for-Padgett/Cliffy/Toine trade:

    1: Rafer | Sura
    2: BRoy | Head | Antoine Wright
    3: TMac | DMiles | Padgett
    4: Hayes | DMiles | Cliffy | Padgett | Novak/Millsap
    5: Yao | Deke | Cliffy

    with Seattle's #10 pick, staying put:

    1: Rafer | Sura | Foye/Brewer
    2: BRoy | Head | Wright | Foye/Brewer
    3: TMac | DMiles | Padge
    4: Hayes | DMiles | Cliffy | Padge | Novak/Millsap
    5: Yao | Deke | Cliffy

    with Head/Seattle's #10 trade, just take out Head.
    ....

    with Seattle's #10, trading down:

    1: Rafer | Sura
    2: BRoy | Wright | Reddick
    3: TMac | DMiles | Padgett
    4: Hayes | DMiles | Sene/Simmons/Alexander | Novak/Millsap
    5: Yao | Deke | Cliffy

    that's already a pretty decent line-up - and we still have the full MLE and TEs to use on a PG.
    i'm pretty sure Sura's done. if he isn't, then great, we/i will love to have him back. if he is done, however, i say we spend our MLE on BJax (NOT Mike James-WHO-Mike James) and on DWesley/Keith Bogans. that will give us some much needed stability in our backcourt.

    our final line-up goes from:
    1: Rafer | Sura
    2: Head
    3: T-Mac | Bowen (option)
    4: Swift | Hayes | JuHo
    5: Yao | Deke

    to (drum roll)
    1: BobbyJax | Rafer | Foye/Brewer
    2: BRoy | Wesley/Bogans | Wright | Brewer/Foye
    3: TMac | DMiles | Padgett
    4: Hayes | DMiles | Cliffy | Novak/Millsap
    5: Yao | Deke | Cliffy
    or
    1: BobbyJax | Rafer | BRoy
    2: BRoy | Wesley/Bogans | Wright | Reddick
    3: TMac | DMiles | Padgett
    4: Hayes | DMiles | Sene/Simmons/Alexander | Novak/Millsap
    5: Yao | Deke | Cliffy


    i can't wait till next week.
    feel free to start picking fights with my dream.
     
  2. Tom Bombadillo

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    Some pretty good ideas but I think we can get more for swift than padge.
     
  3. DJ Naztorious

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    to get Portland to bite on the Miles/JuHo trade, we might have to throw in Head [instead of RyBo] to make the salaries match [and to make the talent gap smaller].

    Juwan + Head + #8
    for
    DMiles + #4.

    come to think of it, we may be giving too much. i'd like Portland to throw in #30 and/or #31. we'll see what happens.
     
  4. backspasmkiller

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    Wow,the longest post since i came here :eek:
     
  5. shawn786

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    Haha you'll see alot longer than that. You have much to learn my son. ;)
     
  6. Rockets111

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    I like the whole "forget mike james" idea.

    By golly, I think you're onto something :eek:
     
  7. baller4life315

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    Choosing Bobby Jackson over Mike James?

    I guess the hell with the much better player coming off a career year that publicly stated he we wants to sign with the Rockets. Let's go after the older, inferior player that will play in 50 games next season, if we're lucky. :rolleyes:
     
  8. DJ Naztorious

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    "the much better player?" how is it that you define 'much better?'

    "a career year" --> don't you mean "a contract year"

    'publicly stated' that he wants to get paid a lot of money.

    i agree that Bobby Jax is older, and that he's gotten injured in the past [while hustling], but i can also assure you that he's never been accused of ball-hogging or looking out for himself.
    if i had to choose between using the ENTIRE MLE and MAYBE getting Mike James to take it vs. using the MLE on Bobby Jackson AND DWesley/Keith Bogans, i'll 'pass' on Mike James.

    that's just me, though. (i have a feeling i'm in the minority.) too bad his public statement about wanting to be with his wife [in Houston] doesn't translate to "i'll take less money to be with my wife [in Houston]."
     
  9. Yetti

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    Its about time that Rockets fans let go of the myth of Padgett. Padget was a poor mans spot up three point shooter at his best, which was with the Utah Jazz! Years have gone by and he is now only a scrub and couldn't get playing time on his last team. Please stop dreaming, he was never great and certainly is not worthy to be considered in the rebuilding of the Rockets. Don't let JVG's statement about him fool you into giving one more moment to thinking about Padgett.
     
  10. Williamson

    Williamson JOSH CHRISTOPHER ONLY FAN

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    I'd love to have Bobby Jackson for the veteran minimum, but I think using even a part of our MLE for a player as injury prone as he is would be a mistake. Save the big money for healthy, young durable players.
     
  11. baller4life315

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    The easy and incorrect way to write off Mike James is doing exactly what you just did---making it seem like he's some kind of cancerous ball hog that only cares about himself and getting paid. That couldn't be any farther from the truth.

    James is a better shooter, scorer, slasher, playmaker and defender. Its really not much of a comparison at all anymore since the only two consistencies regarding Bobby Jackson are his injuries and the fact that his production has been steadily declining over the past three seasons meanwhile James is coming off a career year.

    I hate to say it but its looking like Jackson is only a washed up shell of the player he used to be. The only problem is the injuries still keep on coming and given the durability issues we aleady have, pass.
     
  12. Drexlerfan22

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    My thoughts exactly. As I lived in Sac when Bobby was with the Kings, I can say that I saw that he is the perfect fit for this team, as well as being one of the league's few true class acts. Only problem is durability, which unfortunately makes me reticent about investing our future in him.
     
  13. UTKaluman597

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    i really like the idea of swift for padgett, uncle cliffy, and antoine wright.. antoine seems to be a less athletic, yet smarter version of carney..i have to disagree with the bobby jackson idea though. when was the last season that he wasnt injured?? If we could somehow grab roy and still get a number 10 (brewer) with only giving up jho, stro and ry bo CD will have to be gm of the year in his last year.. brewer is gonna be the next josh howard..Oh and i guess i wouldnt mind taking miles in all this IF we get all these other pieces to fall into place.
     
  14. Untraceable

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    what?

    do whats right! Get mike
     
  15. DJ Naztorious

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    i will succumb to everyone's wishes of MJ.

    if we:
    - take Mike James with the full MLE,
    - trade JuHo+#8+2007 2nd Rounder for DMiles+#4,
    - trade Stro-for-Padgett+Uncle Cliffy+Antoine Wright,
    - pick Brandon Roy at #4 and Millsap at #32
    - buy Seattle's draft pick #10, and draft Brewer/Reddick,
    - sign Bogans/Wesley for the vet minimum,
    we get

    1: MJames | Rafer | Head | BRoy | Sura
    2: BRoy | Head | Antoine Wright | DWes/Bogans
    3: TMac | DMiles | Padgett | Bogans/DWes
    4: Hayes | DMiles | Cliffy | Padgett | Millsap
    5: Yao | Deke | Cliffy

    that's a damn good rotation of 15 players. plus, we retain our two TEs, our rights to V-Span, and our 1st rounder for next year. now all you MJOF can rejoice.
     
  16. DJ Naztorious

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    damnit - i forgot to add Brewer/Reddick.

    1: MJames | Rafer | Head | BRoy | Sura
    2: BRoy | Head | Antoine Wright | DWes/Bogans | Reddick/Brewer
    3: TMac | DMiles | Padgett | Brewer/Reddick | Bogans/DWes
    4: Hayes | DMiles | Cliffy | Padgett | Millsap
    5: Yao | Deke | Cliffy

    that's 16 players. however, it's likely that either: (a) Sura will retire, or (b) Head will end up getting included in one of the deals.
     
  17. prv1981

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    You dont need to succumb. I agree to your original post. I for one understand that Mike James is a better player at this point than Bobby Jackson, but that is not the point that I took from your post earlier.

    Anything over the MLE for more than 3 years for Mike James is too much, in which case I would definetly take Bobby above an overpaid Mike James. I am a big fan of cap flexibility and another player ala stromile/rafer/howard being locked down for too long will not equal success. If Mike James is such a big savior, where was he in game 7 versus dallas in 2005?
     
  18. MONON

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    I don't like your 4 spot at all. There isn't a starter amoung them.
     
  19. OGKashMoney

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    Nicely put. Padgett too me is to unpredictable. Some games he shows up and other games, it appears as if he is purposely trying to hide from the ball. Atleast with Stro, you know that every night, he will come to the arena without an passion, give you a nice dunk, and then take a couple of shots that will help the side of the backboard if your lucky!

    But no need to trade an unpassionate, but potential garbage player, for a garbage player without the potential. Someone, like the NJ Nets, will always come by thinking they can light the fire and bring out the potential!
     

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