All of this would happen on draft day, right? Wouldn't Portland draft for us, and conversely we draft for them, and then it is announced after both teams have drafted, is that how it would work? Or, would a potential trade happen prior to the draft? DD
His scoring, slashing and defensive ability is a lot better than jack of all trades level in my book. The guy is incredibly efficient at shooting the ball and just knows how to make things happen on both ends of the court. The fact that he can rebound and create for others is just a bonus. He doesn't have as high a ceiling, but I think he'll at least be a solid starter for many years. Like a Cuttino Mobley with more boards and assists. And while he probably isn't going to be a superstar, his upside should still hit all-star caliber. For that he's probably at the top of my draft board.
I think the trade can happen now if they want it to. Some teams have to wait until draft if they are going to trade their 1st round pick and they did not have one the previous year. Then they would have to make the pick and then trade it. I believe NBA rules state that a team must make at least one 1st round selection every other year. I think a lot of teams prefer to wait until draft day to make sure that their player will be available at that pick or to make sure that a better offer does not hit the table. Since the Rockets would be moving the 8th and getting the 4th both teams would still own a 1st round pick in this draft, plus I think both teams made a 1st round pick last year.
DD, I think teams would want to wait until draft day or probably when they are on the clock. The closer it is to the picking the more valuable it is. Plus people tend to like to know who is on the board before they move picks. I think if any deal goes down it will happen when a team is on the clock. It could be the "each team drafts for each other" or it could be the trade is announced right before the player's name is announced.
No they have to wait until after the draft to trade NEXT year's pick. The previous year's pick isn't taken into consideration, only current and future picks. We could do it now, or wait until draft day, but one team or another might insist on doing it now so the other team doesn't have a chance to backout when they get into the draft. Also once you hit draft day, unless the team with the higher pick wouldn't mind keeping the player, you're probably forced to do the trade at that point rather than the later pick because you don't want to be stuck with a guy you don't want just because the other team backed out.
#4 + Miles for #8 + Howard. #32 + future (2008+) #1 + cash for #10. Take Roy with the #4 and Brewer, Reddick or Carnery with the #10. If we do not have a good chance of getting James for MLE, I'd probably go for Redick first because we'll need some outside bench scorers. If we do stand a good chance of getting James, I'd take Brewer. Rafer/James/Head Roy/Brewer/James/Head TMac/Miles/Brewer/Bowen Swift/Hayes/Miles Yao/Swift/Deke or Rafer/Head Roy/Redick/Head TMac/Miles/Bowen Swift/Hayes/Miles Yao/Swift/Deke Now if Seattle does trade with us, we'd have: Rafer/James/Head Roy/James/Head TMac/Miles/Bowen Swift/Hayes/Miles Yao/Swift/Deke or Rafer/Head Roy/Head TMac/Miles/Bowen Swift/Hayes/Miles Yao/Swift/Deke Either way it's better than... Rafer/Head (James?) Brewer/Head (James?) TMac/Bogans/Bowen Howard/Swift/Hayes Yao/Swift/Deke I think if Portland will trade the #4 and Miles for #8 and Howard is a no brainer. My questions are: Can you get Seattle to bite on the trade for #10? That would give us more depth at a time and position that we could really use. Is James for MLE a real possibility? If so, trading Luther to make Portland more eager is ok since he wouldn't get much playing time anyway. As someone said Rhodes Redux. However, we'll really be in a hole at pg if James doesn't come over.
he said himself he thinks he will be picked by one of the teams that is not even in the top five! he really thinks that... I think there is a 70% chance now that we pick him... I wish we could just deal JHo and Swift for #4 and then we pick Roy and then at 8 we just wait and see if some of the big guys drops
Miles has definitely worn out his welcome in Portland and he will be wearing another uni this season but (Juwan + 8) for (Miles +4) makes no sense for Portland, this is an Weisbrod/Isiah Thomas type of deal that gets GMs fired. I don't see this happening, now Juwan + Rybo straight up for Miles makes sense for both teams, Portland dumps a head case and Houston gets a much more athletic 3/4 who is younger but does not have the perimeter game that JH has. I think this deal makes sense for both teams even if Miles is the second coming of Vince Baker.
WTF. How can this deal make sense if Miles gives us Baker caliber bench sitting. Miles contract is bigger than Juwan and lasts a year longer. All this Miles love is making me sick. This guy stinks. He can't shoot, he's only effective with the ball in his hands, and even then he's not a great scorer or creator. It's Stomile Swift all over again. Only 100X worse since Stro at least isn't a locker-room malcontent, and his contract is much, much more manageable. If we trade for Miles without a higher pick out of this deal then it'll be a horrid trade. Guaranteed he'll be in JVG's doghouse by Christmas. And then we'll be shopping him around for 10 cents on the dollar trying to pass him off to the next guy. That's the only thing he's been good at so far in his career; burning bridges and getting shipped off of teams.
I hope this trade--if true--goes down before the draft because I think there will be a lot of maneuvering, and the Rockets can take advantage of it. With about six or seven fairly equally-ranked players, teams will want to move around to get "their guy," and being in the #2-6 range in this draft is a good thing.
Here we go again on Darius Miles. 1 We don't "automatically improve by getting rid of Juwan". Just another one of your anti-JH tirades. 2 JVG isn't some magician who can get NBA players to do spectacular things no one else can. Turning Miles into a "great defensive juggernaut"? You can't be serious. If you are, what flavor Kool-Aid are you drinking? 3 "Miles gives us much greater flexibility than Brewer". How so? Miles has been a complete NBA poison the last two seasons with two differing coaches. He's a proven product just like Stro was before he came here. He has close to zero offensive game after 6 full NBA seasons. If DM was in this year's draft (at age 24 with his track record), do you honestly think he would be drafted in the top 15 like Brewer? Would he be drafted at all? I'm a Brewer "fan" and getting Miles does nothing for me. They are two very different players and people. You can't make orange juice out of lemons especially when the lemon might be an alcoholic. His guaranteed contract killed Miles' career.
I would prefer Randolph , but he's done some ill advised things lately. Miles, except this season was showing a consistent 15-18ft jumper. If you're a wing player and you can get to your spot off the dribble, you dont have to have 3pt range, look at young grant hill. You have to be able to get there and shoot over people and hit a high %. I wouldn't be opposed to Miles and if that is true, I'll resign Frahm if possible for depth.
i think the JH+8th for DM+4th is way better then the Head+8th for the 5th pick, for all his shortcomings DMiles is a usable player (granted that he gets he's acts striaght) and we definately lose less in this trade, i think a develping Head>a old Howard on the back end of his contracts.
I disagree. Getting rid of Juwan does make this team better. No Juwan means more time for Hayes who can run circles around JH on the defensive end. We can live without JH jumpshot, but we can not get to the next level without rebounds and defensive play makers from the PF spot. I will take a combo of Hayes & Swift (or Miles) at PF over JH getting all the PF minutes, any day of the week
Swift and Hayes (Hayes really needs to improve) would need to knock down the open jumper. If you have Yao on the block, you can't expect the PF to be right next to him ready for a putback. Yao needs space, and a guy like Juwon, helps in that regard.....but defensively, Juwon isn't special at all. With Yao out of the game, with no post player on the block, then Swift and Hayes could be in the lane more.
