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Interesting argument on PG's

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by anitasri, Jun 22, 2006.

  1. docgundy

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    Give Alston the offseason and better teammates, and you'll see his valor.
     
  2. anitasri

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    I dont look to stats to prove everyything- I use them to see through bogus arguments, as the one that people make about Asst/TO ratio etc. Those are popular stats- but they have to be viewed in the overall scheme of things.

    What the guy clearly was saying is that just because a team does not have a Steve Nash- they really dont have to panic- if their rebounding margin is superior. This could mean a PG who can rebound or Team rebounding in general. Now if we could just have a rebounding PF!!!!!!!!!!

    In essence if you dont have a high assist PG, then atleast improve the rebound Margin so you get more second shot opportunities.

    I still think Miami was lucky to win- no doubt they won it- but Dallas blew it, just as the Rockets blew it last year. Miami is not better than the Spurs or Mavs period.
     
  3. JimRaynor55

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    I don't have an account there.

    It's true that Yao needs someone who can get him the ball, but that doesn't necessarily mean that we need a pass-first PG. Just someone who knows his role and can make the occasional lob pass. The Kobe/Shaq Lakers didn't have a playmaking PG, and neither do the current Spurs.
     
  4. H-Dub

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    THATS Not true i dont believe we have to get a pg but i think james is our best fa option if we draft brewer likely and we sign james likely and we trade for jr could happen then we have some unbelievable depth our weak point is at the pf but the heat and mavs proved that you dont have to have a stellar player at every position ala haslem and diop!
     
  5. anitasri

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    Haslem is NOT a stellar player? You must be kidding- he may not be a loud mouth like you know who!!! But give me that warrior any day- that guy and Wade- I salute their humility
     
  6. anitasri

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    IF Sura retires and We get a Medical Exception i would go for Bobby Jackson- yes I know he is kind of Injury prone etc, but these days everyone seem to have some injury or the other.

    Of Course claxtopn or even Keeyon Dooling would be great at Back Up PG and I hope we dont get McInnis!
     
  7. JimRaynor55

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    Haslem is below average. His rebounding % is a bit above average but nothing special. His scores at a decent percentage, but he doesn't get you a lot of points. It took him 18 more games to get 2 more blocks than Rafer Alston. His man defense isn't that great either.

    Haslem is another poor or mediocre player who has a reputation as a "great role player" just because he works hard in the shadow of a pair of superstars.
     
  8. geeimsobored

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    He did a pretty bang up job on Nowitzki.
     
  9. MaxRider

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    give Skip some time
    he played pretty well when T-Mac and Yao are healthy
     
  10. Rockets111

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    Yall do realize PER also relates to how you perform with others on the court, right?

    So, Alston did not have TMac, Yao and others consistently on the floor with him night in and night out. He had the likes of Wesley, Head and Howard. So, yes, his PER will be subpar. This whole season was subpar.

    And by PG, I mean a player who can distribute, set up an offense and defend the ball. So by that definition, yes, Alston is one of the best we've had, period. With this team, and this was understood when Alston was brought in, Alston just needs to pass, play defense and set people up. WHICH HE DID QUITE WELL WHEN TMAC AND YAO WERE HEALTHY.

    Imagine this: Imagine if Jason Williams had only had Wade healthy for 47 games or so, or Shaq healthy for 58 games. You think his PER would be as high as it was this year? Of course not! A true PG is only as good as his team around him. So of course you're gonna have a lower PER if you play with inexperienced role players like Head, Hayes and Bogans.

    Yall arent looking at the big picture. You're refusing to acknowledge the fact that Rafer still had a nice year despite his two main superstars missing approximately 110 games combined. I mean, think here, guys.
     
  11. JimRaynor55

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    Alston's career PER has been below average. And his TS% has always been well below league average. Alston's PER is low because he can't hit his shots. That's his fault, not because T-Mac and Yao were injured.
     
  12. Rockets111

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    He had no problem hitting shots in Miami and Toronto, where he was above 37% on 3s with both teams.

    And if you're gonna look at career PER, then remember the first 2-3 years of his career was spent as a 3rd stringer with Milwaukee and GS teams, which means he would have shared the court with...? That's right, other third-tier players.


    In Miami, he played well, and this is a team I think you could accurately assess him by because that team had talent. Wade, Lamar Odom, Brian Grant (when he could give you 12/8 a game)--- Alston was a key part of that team and was also successful in the playoffs.
     
  13. DaGlide

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    Welcome to the club!

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  14. JimRaynor55

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    What kind of player is SO dependent on the quality of his teammates, that he's utter crap if they're utter crap? Furthermore, studies suggest that a player's efficiency remains about the same even when he's playing more minutes. And why can other bench players play well?

    In Miami, Alston's PER was 13.7, and his TS% was 0.509 (FG% of 0.371), both below average. He could hit 3pt shots, but he still sucked. He's just not a very good player.
     

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