I hate to kick someone when they are down, but I heard this story on the BBC a couple of hours ago and it sounded very nasty, and contrary to quite a bit of stuff being claimed about Iran. From what I heard on the radio these women really had their @sses kicked hard. In my mind the story’s timeliness (it happened yesterday) and its status as concrete information (it is being reported as fact by news agencies that aren't normally considered "anti-Iranian") trumped any of the other issues in my mind. I think that it is news that is relevant to many of the discussions going on around here. I appreciate if some people disagree.
I saw a story on BBC a week ago about how Iranian women cannot go to the stadium to watch a soccer game because of men's naked legs. To help rationalize, some also argue that it protects their delicate ears from what the men might say during the game.
This is nothing new. in the 1999 students revolt, they attacked the students dorms during the night and beheaded 3 of the student leaders. some more were thrown off the 7 story buildings around the unviversities. in 2003 they did the same. last years womans right rally was worse. they gave a 70 year iold woman brain damiage. still creep, not aka ehsan defends the mollahs. the mollahs have destroyed the iranian peoples dignity and lives in the last 27 years. It's so bad, that KHOMENIES OWN GRANDSON is calling for regime change.
This is not tolerable. Something will be done. The Shah was oppressive and everyone knows what happened to the Shah...
I remember a somewhat similar episode taking place in Egypt leading up to the presidential elections there.
...In addition, Hitler would be very proud of the President of Iran. I guess it's part of the culture, but women the world over deserve better.
Your post is idiotic on two fronts: One, you calling the beating of a group of women by police/government thugs 'part of the culture'; Second, you or anyone else on this board comparing this incident or Iran or their leadership to Hitler or Nazi Germany...I love the hypocrisy of so many on this board who express outrage at the slightest comparison of Bush or his administration to Hitler and his Nazi Germany, and yet have no problem whatsoever using it to describe another country or its leadership. Idiotic post, indeed...
This is just sad, and a good indicator of the failings of the Iranian government. Hopefully freedom will spread from Iraq, to Iran, to Saudi Arabia, and all those theocratic systems will crumble and people will be free to worship as they see fit, and to live as they see fit under a more reasonable rule of law. DD
Actually to be fair the U.S. at Guantanamo is doing a good job of following down the Nazi path too, or maybe just the Soviet gulag path. Bush can't hold a candle to Hitler. Hitler was an evil overachiever, Bush is just a wealthy kid riding his family coattails.
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I don't think it's idiotic sans your ignorance indeed.... The two fronts are on basis of FACT... There is an assumption on your part to the scope of what I meant by culture...In muslim based societies, there have been documentation of very recent stoning sans male equivolency irregardless of fairness...Women deserve better than this and it is a fact unfavorable dicipline has been more liberally applied when the muslim culture views the acceptability of behavior...Women the world over deserve at least better fairness in documented cases. Why do you disagree? Hitler WOULD be proud of the Iranian President!...Any leader of a nation with military capabilities who announces he wants to wipe Israel off the map...A nation of Jews...which Hitler happened to loathe and pursue eradication to the tune of 6 Million is based on factual ideology. Nothing more or less... Please proceed with your blatant ignorance...
There have been incidents of racist attacks on minorities in our country. That doesn't mean it is part of the culture. To claim because something happens that it is part of the culture is ignorant. That is especially true considering the article mentions passers by defending the women from the police beatings. I would be more inclined to believe that was part of the culture than police beating women. Again you make the comparison, but get upset when others do. I could easily say that Hitler would be proud of the way that Bush has expanded and usurped executive powers. That doesn't make it true in the hypothetical case I mentioned or the one you mentioned.
"Other Muslims say that these restrictions sometimes go beyond what is mandated by sharia, and are motivated by culture, not religion. However, they feel that the rules of sharia, liberally interpreted, should still apply." So goes my direction on what I meant that infringement of restrictions is punishable, and the scope and severity of the punishment is what has been verifiable and documented... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Muslim_societies
Ottoman made a comparison of Jack Kennedy's oration skills to that of Hitler, in another thread, which I found very inappropriate, to say the least. Using the, "Hitler Bomb," is something one shouldn't use lightly, in my opinion. If I had made a comparison of George W. Bush to Hitler, the way Ottoman did in that thread, Bush supporters would have been outraged, even if the comparison was valid. There must be a better way to make the same point, without using Hitler as a comparison... Hitler is in a class by himself, in my opinion. Keep D&D Civil.
yeah because all those countries in that region like iraq are theocratic homogoneous monoliths. i love when rudyard kiplings are completely unaware of the geo-political and social realities and traditions on the ground.
