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Islamic Militia Defeats US Sponsored Warlords in Somalia

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by CreepyFloyd, Jun 5, 2006.

  1. CreepyFloyd

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    Islamic militia takes Mogadishu
    Mon Jun 5, 2006 2:28 PM EDT

    By Mohamed Ali Bile

    MOGADISHU (Reuters) - Islamic militia appeared to control Mogadishu on Monday after winning a bloody three-month battle against warlords who have run the Somali capital for 15 years.

    The warlords are widely believed to be covertly backed by a U.S. administration concerned, according to former U.S. intelligence officials, that Islamist rulers could provide a save haven for al Qaeda akin to Taliban-ruled Afghanistan. Many fled on Monday to other parts of Somalia or neighbouring Kenya.

    The Islamic side, which supports sharia courts in Mogadishu, announced they controlled the city in radio broadcasts and public meetings. Both residents and some members of the warlords' own militia said the city was in Islamic hands.

    "The era of warlords in Somalia is over," resident Mohamed Asser said. "This morning Mogadishu is under only one hand, the Islamic courts."

    The chaos in Mogadishu, battered by weeks of artillery duels, made it difficult to verify Islamic control of the city.

    If confirmed, it would be the first time control of all of the city had been wrested from Somalia's powerful warlords since they ousted dictator Mohamed Siad Barre in 1991, ushering in years of extreme violence and anarchy.

    Around 350 people, mostly civilians, have been killed in street battles since February between the Islamic militia and a self-styled anti-terrorism coalition of warlords.

    Many analysts view the violence as a proxy war between the United States and Islamic militants. Many Somalis have moved to the Islamic side because of Washington's perceived support for the warlords, residents say.

    John Prendergast, who monitors Somalia for the think-tank International Crisis Group, said he had learned from warlord alliance members in Somalia that the CIA was financing them with cash payments of $100,000 to $150,000 per month.

    U.S. intelligence has produced no firm evidence of active al Qaeda presence in Somalia, experts said in Washington. But there have been reports of al Qaeda members in the country, including suspects in the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in East Africa.

    Sharia courts have gained popularity by restoring a semblance of order to parts of the chaotic capital.

    "The Islamic courts announced they are in control of Mogadishu. They said they would work with residents to improve security in the capital," resident Ali Abdikadir told Reuters by telephone after attending a public meeting.

    "This is good news for us because the warlords were always engaged in battles, we are looking forward to a life without fighting," he added.

    Ali Nur, a warlord coalition militiaman, said members of the alliance were now fleeing. "We have no immediate plans. Most of our leaders have fled Mogadishu to Jowhar," he said.

    After the latest battle on Sunday, in which 18 people died, the Islamic militia took control of the strategic town of Balad, 30 km (20 miles) from Mogadishu.

    The town controls the supply route from the warlord stronghold of Jowhar further north.

    The Islamic fighters followed up on Monday by taking Dayniile, the last warlord stronghold in the capital.

    RESIDENTS HOPE FOR CALM

    Residents said Dayniile was taken without a fight. The area was a stronghold of top warlord Mohamed Qanyare, who left two days ago after local elders ordered him out to stop battles with mortars, rockets and anti-aircraft artillery that have caused heavy civilian casualties.

    "The city is calm and we hope it will stay that way," 19-year old resident Samira Jama said.

    Abdirahman Dinari, spokesman for Somalia's interim government, said he hoped for talks soon with the Islamic side.

    "I hope the Islamic courts will realize the importance of the government and talk to us. We are ready to talk to them in order to prevent further suffering of the innocent Somali people," he told Reuters by telephone.

    The government, based in the southern city of Baidoa, has been too weak to stop the fighting or enter the capital.

    Fearing more fighting, the U.N. pulled staff out of Jowhar, which could be the next target for the Islamic side.

    "There are fears of attacks in Jowhar and defense lines have been tightened," a U.N. security expert told Reuters.

    Washington has not commented on persistent reports that it is covertly funnelling large sums of money to the warlords. But it says it will work with anyone combating terrorism.

    The interim government late on Sunday sacked four warlord ministers, including Qanyare, who was in charge of internal security, for their role in the fighting.

    http://ca.today.reuters.com/news/ne...Z_01_L05776082_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-SOMALIA-COL.XML
     
  2. HayesStreet

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    What is there to discuss?
     
  3. CreepyFloyd

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    You've said that the US should support democracy everywhere, do you condemn them for supporting warlords in Somalia?

    Also, do you welcome their defeat?
     
  4. HayesStreet

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    I'm not sure how the warlords are less democratic than the islamists. At least some of the warlords were part of the interim government.
     
  5. glynch

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    I am confused. Islamic militia and warlords. Who are the good and bad guys?
    Even as a three year old watching TV, I found that always invaluable when knowing if I should feel happy or sad when folks are killed or have their guts ripped ou or whatever.

    Haven't kept up with Somalia internal politics lately. Let's see. Islamic = bad. Militia = bad, unless in rural Idaho. Warlords = bad.

    Should we just send the working class military folks to fight on one side? -- or against both? Don't get me wrong. As a good American I am willing for the worker/ soldiers to go whereever our Leader, the Commander in Chief, ordains.

    Hayes, it does seem to be a civil war, so it can't be all bad?
     
  6. CreepyFloyd

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    I never said they were although we should wait and see what type of government is put in place in the long run before we jump to conclusions, but it's obvious, from the reaction or lack thereof of the citizens and interim government, the warlords had no legitimacy. So you're still not willing to condemn the US for sponsoring these warlords?
     
  7. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    I think the warlords were probably considered the lesser of two evils, because they would be less likely to work with Al Queda. It doesn't sound like they were getting much money anyway. Somalia has been in bad shape for a long time.
     
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    Since that thread got no replies and very little reading interest, let me re-post it here:

    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=113400

    That article provides somewhat of a background to what's going on in Somalia and the extent of U.S. involvement there, which seems to have been the 'trigger' -- if you will -- to the Islamist militias rallying the people against the secular militias, whom they claimed were U.S. sponsered.
     
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    It looks like everyone in Somalia is still losing. The people, most of all. They are being abused by "warlords." Just another group of them have seized power. What makes these possibly worse? Time will tell.



    Keep D&D Civil.
     
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  11. HayesStreet

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    Are you condemning the islamic militia? I think I missed that part.
     
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    lets celebrate anyother theocracy dictatorship taking birth... whoopdee dooo
     
  13. Saint Louis

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    the jihadist winning streak continues
     
  14. wnes

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    The stability and modernity installed by US-backed warlords in Somalia will be solely missed.
     
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    i love it!! :) that's exactly what i was thinking!! :)

    i think it would have gone far better for us had we sent in the Golords instead of warlords. that's just me, though.
     
  16. Saint Louis

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    Isn't Somalia in Africa? Somalia doesn't have any oil either. When did the U.S. start carrying about African countries with no oil?
     
  17. wnes

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    Um, geographically Somalia is at a extremely strategically important location in east Africa -- bordering the Gulf of Aden and the Indian Ocean. It has uranium and largely unexploited reserves of iron ore, tin, among others, and get this, natural gas, likely oil reserves.
     
  18. Saint Louis

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    Bush and Cheney must have caught a whiff of "natural resources" there. That would explain all the attention. Now all they need is some Somalian exiles to run the country after we liberate it.
     
  19. HayesStreet

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    It should be noted that the little aid allegedly given to the warlords - had nothing to do with their running the country the last 15 years. Creepy sucked you in with the 'US Sporsored' tag and then reeled you in.
     
  20. wnes

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    First I wouldn't characterize $1.8 million per year as 'little aid' for a small, poverty-stricken African country. Second, the warloads could spend these funds anyway they want -- whether on their kids' education, their own quality time in Bahamas, or buying more weapons for their troops, the fact remains that they were supported by U.S. government when they were running their country.
     

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