1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Apparent Terrorist Plot Broken up in Canada

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by pgabriel, Jun 3, 2006.

  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2002
    Messages:
    43,879
    Likes Received:
    3,747
    link


    TORONTO - A group of Canadian residents arrested in coordinated raids across the Toronto area for ”terrorism-related offenses” had planned to blow up targets around southern Ontario, Canadian police said on Saturday.

    Mike McDonnell, assistant commissioner of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, said the group had acquired three metric tons of ammonium nitrate — or three times the amount used in the 1995 bombing in Oklahoma City — as they sought to ”create explosive devices.” Police said they had arrested 12 adults and five young people.

    “This group posed a real and serious threat,” McDonnell said. “It had the capacity and intent to carry out attacks. Our investigation and arrests prevented the assembly of any bombs and the attacks being carried out.”Officials showed evidence of bomb making materials, a computer hard drive, camouflage uniforms and what appears to be a door with bullet holes in it at a news conference Saturday morning.

    “This group took steps to acquire three tons of ammonium nitrate and other components necessary to create explosive devices,” McDonell said.

    The arrests were made Friday, with some 400 officers involved.

    McDonell said the suspects were either citizens or residents of Canada and had trained together.

    “The men arrested yesterday are Canadian residents from a variety of backgrounds. For various reasons they appeared to have become adherents of a violent ideology inspired by al-Qaida,” said Luc Portelance, the assistant director of operations with CSIS — Canada’s spy agency.

    Heavily armed police officers ringed the Durham Regional Police Station in the city of Pickering, just east of Toronto, as the suspects were brought in late Friday night in unmarked cars which were drove into an underground garage.

    The Toronto Star reported Saturday that Canadian youths in their teens and 20s, upset at the treatment of Muslims worldwide, were among those arrested.

    The newspaper said they had trained at a camp north of Toronto and had plotted to attack CSIS’s downtown office near the CN Tower, among other targets.

    Melisa Leclerc, a spokeswoman for the federal Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day, had no comment on the arrests.

    In March 2004, Ottawa software developer Mohammad Momin Khawaja became the first Canadian charged under the country’s Anti-Terrorism Act for alleged activities in Ottawa and London. Khawaja was also named, but not charged, in British for playing a role in a foiled bomb plot. He is being held in an Ottawa detention center, awaiting trial.

    The Canadian anti-terrorism law was passed swiftly following the Sept. 11 assaults, particularly after Osama bin-Laden’s named Canada one of five so-called Christian nations that should be targeted for acts of terror. The others, reaffirmed in 2004 by his al-Qaida network, were the United States, Britain, Spain and Australian, all of which have been victims of terrorist attacks.

    The anti-terrorism law permits the government to brand individuals and organizations as terrorists and gives police the power to make preventive arrests of people suspected of planning a terrorist attack.

    Though many view Canada as an unassuming neutral nation that has skirted terrorist attacks, it has suffered its share of aggression, including the 1985 Air India bombing, in which 329 people were killed, most of them Canadian citizens.

    Intelligence officials believe at least 50 terror groups now have some presence in the North American nation and have long complained that the country’s immigration laws and border security are too weak to weed out potential terrorists.

     
  2. Mr. Brightside

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2005
    Messages:
    18,965
    Likes Received:
    2,148
    Hopefully Jose Padilla wasn't involved.
     
  3. Sishir Chang

    Sishir Chang Member

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2000
    Messages:
    11,064
    Likes Received:
    8
    I just read about that. Pretty damn amazing that there are homegrown terrorists in Canada. I wonder how this is going to play out here? I can see a whole new wave of calls for more clampdowns on civil liberties.
     
  4. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    26,980
    Likes Received:
    2,365
    Glad to see Canada caught those bastards. Islamic extremism needs to be stomped out.
     
  5. Baqui99

    Baqui99 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2000
    Messages:
    11,495
    Likes Received:
    1,231
    Good work by the Canadian authorities to catch those hosers.
     
  6. tigermission1

    tigermission1 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2002
    Messages:
    15,557
    Likes Received:
    17
    Good news...
     
  7. CreepyFloyd

    CreepyFloyd Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2006
    Messages:
    1,458
    Likes Received:
    1
    now maybe they can nab the people running around putting fake news stories in the papers about iran too
     
  8. HayesStreet

    HayesStreet Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 1999
    Messages:
    8,507
    Likes Received:
    181
    Yeah, unsubstantiated news stories are as important as nutjobs with multiple tons of explosives.
     
  9. Batman Jones

    Batman Jones Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 1999
    Messages:
    15,937
    Likes Received:
    5,491
    You're an ass.
     
  10. CreepyFloyd

    CreepyFloyd Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2006
    Messages:
    1,458
    Likes Received:
    1
    i forgot the canadian government loves those fabricated anti-iran stories and so does the us govt, which recently invited the author of the fabricated dress code story, amir taheri, to the white house to give his 'honest' opinion on iran...what a joke
     
  11. krosfyah

    krosfyah Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2001
    Messages:
    7,893
    Likes Received:
    1,722
    ...Except that Canada caught them without clamping down on civil liberties indicating that you don't need to rip the rights from your citizens to catch bad people. You just need agencies that are on top of their game.
     
  12. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    129,771
    Likes Received:
    40,352

    An AWESOME post !!

    DD
     
  13. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    102,561
    Likes Received:
    105,374
    They caught them by monitoring web usage of Canadian citizens & legal residents and by intercepting international telephone calls & email made to & from same. We do not know exactly how the terrorists in the other countries were identified and tracked (datamining random phone records? keyword searching random email?) - and I would prefer that we *never* know how these suspects are identified, giving away our tricks seems to be a bad idea (see satellite phones). You simply do not know enough to say "US methods bad...Canada methods good".

    Well before police tactical teams began their sweeps around Toronto on Friday, at least 18 related arrests had already taken place in Canada, the United States, Britain, Bosnia, Denmark, Sweden, and Bangladesh.

    The six-month RCMP investigation, called Project OSage, is one of several overlapping probes that include an FBI case called Operation Northern Exposure and a British probe known as Operation Mazhar.
    ...
    The Toronto busts are linked to arrests that began last August at a Canadian border post near Niagara Falls and continued in October in Sarajevo, London and Scandinavia, and earlier this year in New York and Georgia.
    ...
    The intricate web of connections between Toronto, London, Atlanta, Sarajevo, Dhaka, and elsewhere illustrates the challenge confronting counter-terrorism investigators almost five years after 9/11.

    Linking the international probes are online communications, phone calls and in particular videotapes that authorities allege show some of the targets the young extremists considered blowing up.


    and

    The chain of events began two years ago, sparked by local teenagers roving through Internet sites, reading and espousing anti-Western sentiments and vowing to attack at home, in the name of oppressed Muslims here and abroad.

    Their words were sometimes encrypted, the Internet sites where they communicated allegedly restricted by passwords, but Canadian spies back in 2004 were reading them. And as the youths' words turned into actions, they began watching them.


    http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=de3f8e90-982a-47af-8e5e-a1366fd5d6cc&k=46849

    http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...044&call_pageid=976163513378&col=969048863474


    I would venture to guess that had 60 Minutes or whoever done an exposé on this behavior by US intelligence & law enforcement - without it being exposed in conjunction with a large successful terror investigation, as it's kind of hard to complain when it works - there would be mucho hysterics precisely regarding a "clamping down on civil liberties".

    Kudos to the various nations and agencies involved for an excellent job.
     
  14. Sishir Chang

    Sishir Chang Member

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2000
    Messages:
    11,064
    Likes Received:
    8
    I agree which is why I said "how it will play out here". I can easily imagine how there are many who support things like the NSA's warrantless wiretapping, searching through people's phone records and tracking people's internet usage will say that since terrorist were caught in Canada the threat is closer than we think so we have to look more forcefully for the potential terrorists using every tool we can even if that means we have to bypass the courts to do it.

    Case in point:
     
  15. gwayneco

    gwayneco Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2000
    Messages:
    3,459
    Likes Received:
    36
    So, were these guys Lutherans? Buddhists?
     
  16. RocketMan Tex

    RocketMan Tex Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    18,452
    Likes Received:
    119
    Neither. They were Canadians. ;)
     
  17. gwayneco

    gwayneco Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2000
    Messages:
    3,459
    Likes Received:
    36
    Of what religious persuasion?
     
  18. tigermission1

    tigermission1 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2002
    Messages:
    15,557
    Likes Received:
    17
    Wahhabism.
     
  19. No Worries

    No Worries Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1999
    Messages:
    33,065
    Likes Received:
    20,916
    Canada is a Christian nation. Are you a little slow on the uptake?
     
  20. RocketMan Tex

    RocketMan Tex Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    18,452
    Likes Received:
    119
    They pray to Saint Molson five times a day! :D
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now