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Lost: Season 2

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by mleahy999, Sep 21, 2005.

  1. MadMax

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    i think there are definitely others beyond the others. i think that's why henry said, "we're the good guys." i think he was implying there's someone or something else. but that's just a guess.
     
  2. Major

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    They really should make this show a year-round show. :mad:
     
  3. VesceySux

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    Look, I wasn't expecting the finale to wrap everything up all neatly, but I certainly wasn't expecting the episode(s) to introduce twice the number of new questions, either. I'm a huge Lost fan, and I'll definitely continue watching, but I'm also highly annoyed right now. If you leaf through the Lost finale posts from AICN and The Fuselage, lots of other people are as well. And it's not that I or these people hated the episodes. Far from it. The finale was well done. We're all just really confused at this point. At the end of season one, the new revelation and cliffhanger was the opening of the hatch, a SINGULAR direction for the show. Now, at the end of season 2, what direction is the show going in? Also, a cliffhanger refers to one or two specific plot lines left unresolved for the following season. Lost has like 7 unresolved plot lines, if not more. (The Others, the captured Losties, the presumed dead Losties in the now blown-up hatch, Penny Widmore and her Arctic friends, Walt and Michael on the boat, Jin and Sun on the sailboat, Sayid in the fake village) I imagine some of these lines will converge with the very next episode (next season), but damn, that's a LOT to leave up in the air between seasons.
     
  4. Oski2005

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    Man, I hope Desmond didn't die. I want him and his lady to get back together. I also wish I could go around calling everybody brotha and sista and I like how he calls Locke "Boxman," I almost forgot about his last job.

    I can't remember the last time Sayid was shown praying. Anyways, it's all up to him now to save his friends.
     
  5. RunninRaven

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    The Others, the captured Losties, Walt's powers and many more questions remained in addition to the discovery of the hatch at the end of season 1. If you want to pick a direction the show is going in now, I would say it is almost solely going in the direction of The Others. The Penny search party will be a side gig until the Lostaways somehow find out she is there looking for them. All the other cliffhangers you listed are not really show directions, but just questions to be resolved. The hatch explosion survivors, Sayid, Jin and Sun, etc are not really directions the show can take. Just things to be resolved.

    I was actually quite impressed with how much info was released in this episode. We found out what crashed the plane, the nature of the hatch and what happens when the button isn't pushed. Desmond, his backstory and reason for running off like he did. A big chunk of the islands nature is revealed now that we know they can't just sail off and leave. There is something so unique about the island that you literally can't leave unless you know the exact direction to take (or have a special compass, which might have been why the Others gave Michael that boat). We know the hatch was not an experiment but that the Pearl WAS. We know who made the map on the blast doors and how they were doing it. We learned who The Man is that the Others had been referring to (Lostaways had him in their sights all along).

    And, perhaps more important than anything, we learned that it is in fact POSSIBLE for the outside world to find the island, even if it is very difficult. It's not some hologram somewhere, it's not some outer space laboratory of some advanced alien race. Some sort of resolution to all the remaining puzzles is at least pretty conceivable now, if not readily available to us.
     
  6. Oski2005

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    There are some continuity things that are bugging me. Desmond first made it sound that when he was found Kelvin brought him to the hatch "hurry hurry, follow me" but Desmond actually wakes up in the hatch after being knocked out on the boat. The bigger thing though is how worried he was about being contaminated when they first show him even though it seems he already figured out there was nothing to worry about out there after following Kelvin.
     
  7. Dubious

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    Watching Lost is about the journey, not the destination. I watched all the X-files, loved it and still don't have more than a clue about what the story was.

    Nonetheless and just for fun, here's my guestimate spolier:
    (and it could take five years to get here)

    The island's origins are extra terrestial, either the electromagnetic anomoly was discovered or caused by them. I don't think they are still on the island but may have left some kind of device that informs them of earthling activities and may let them influence earthly activities on the island.
    Ancient men may have discovered their presence and attibuted god like qualities to them. They may have left genetic contaminents that can effect human beings, giving power to people who are inherently good and negatively effecting people who are evil in a plan that will eventually allow their race to replace the human race.

    The Others say they are the good guys because they are fighting the takeover but they may be evil. They somehow use babies and inheriently good youths (Walt) to create a vaccine to ward off the contaminnates.
    I think they were a rouge element from the Dharma (Hanso?) group that saw that their way of life was being eliminated.

    Dharma (Hanso?) is like the super rich scientific group that discovered something about the island and came to understand it. The social experiments may have something to do with how good and evil men are effected by the island. The leaders of Dharma may have come to believe that the island was an evolutionary advancement for mankind (but replacing men as we know them) and decided to cooperate with the Alien forces while the evil part of the Dharma group came to understand that it was them and people like them that would be replaced so driven by their evolutionary imperative they decide to form a rebel faction to fight back (The Good Guys).

    So who is good and who is evil? Do you prove your worthiness by unquestioning faith in a power you don't understand or by accepting and persevering in your existing nature?

    Or I could be way off base.
     
  8. VesceySux

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    Did we? For 2 seasons now, the writers have made us believe that the Losties were connected to each other OUTSIDE the island, thus insinuating that they were all brought to the island for a reason (Locke called it "his destiny"). That flies in the face of the finale's revelation of Desmond's "oops!". Don't close the door on that question. The writers gave us crumbs to work with.

    You sure about that? The electromagnetic field is now down.

    We know nothing about Rezinski, other than 1) he made the map and 2) he's now dead (OR IS HE?). We don't know WHY he made the map, what he was planning, or even what the various messages on the map mean. Don't fool yourself: Kelvin said next to nothing about the map. Once again, we get crumbs here.

    We know Henry is probably an "officer," but is he HIM? C'mon now. That was NEVER explained. Furthermore, why would Henry call "HIM" a "brilliant man" when locked up if he was just referring to himself? Egotistical much? Also, we have no idea why Henry was captured (his purpose) and why he lied to Locke about the button. C-R-U-M-B-S!

    Once again, I'm not expecting full disclosure here on every issue, but if you promote the hell out of your season finale with the notion that major questions will be answered, ANSWER THEM for God's sake and close the door on any possible ambiguity. Geez.
     
  9. KaiSeR SoZe

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    I think you guys overanalyzing things and its ruining the show for you!

    just let it flow
     
  10. RunninRaven

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    I'll go through this one at a time, as you did.

    Yes, we did. I admit, it doesn't make much sense to have all the Lost folk interacting before the crash, but I read an interview with one of the writers somewhere came out and said that the plane crash mystery would be answered. He could have been lying, but I doubt it.

    Sure about what? That the island is currently invisible? No, but we know it WAS, which, as I said, does reveal part of the nature of the island. When it comes to something as big as that, crumbs is all you can expect to get in a season finale.

    I didn't say the entire map was explained, I said we now know who made the map. I would consider that more than crumbs since it seemed to be pretty significant up to this point. But I guess this is me fooling myself? Whatever.

    Admittedly, we don't know if Henry is the main man of the Others or not. But certainly it means he is higher up than we all realized, and lends greater emphasis to what he was doing when he was captured by Rousseau. And for what he said when in captivity...if I was the main general of an army and was captured, but the other side didn't know my rank, I'd try to hide it too. One good way to do that is to openly fawn over the general as if he someone other than you. I'd say it worked pretty well.

    What exactly did they claim was going to be answered that wasn't? I saw a lot of the previews, and for everything I read and saw, they delivered. The only specific thing I remember being narrated over the previews was something like "Everything is going to change" Well, with no hatch and FOUR of the major players (more if you include Sayid, Sun and Jin) now potentially under the Others control, I'd say things are way different.
     
  11. MadMax

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    no kidding! :D
     
  12. RunninRaven

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    That's what's so fun, though! The last time I remember thinking or analyzing any bit of entertainment this much outside of when I watched it was Matrix:Reloaded. Let's just hope the answer to all the questions in Lost is a little bit better done than those that were raised in the Matrix trilogy.
     
  13. mateo

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    Not really....Kelvin knew Sayid AND Kate's father. Desmond met Jack beforehand. Libby gave Desmond the boat. Just because Desmond was the reason the plane went down doesnt mean that the events are not connected to each other.
     
  14. VesceySux

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    The more I think about it, the more I tend to discount Desmond's "oops" theory. First, the pilot mentioned (in the pilot) that the plane was way off course before it crashed. An electromagnetic burst of energy could skew the plane's radar. Also, if the big magnet was actually the cause of the crash itself, wouldn't the plane have landed on the big magnet and not in the ocean? Second, if you watch the pilot again, before the engine explodes on the beach, you see what appears to be Smokey the Monster (Cerebus?) fly by, indicating it was around the whole time and that it caused the engine explosion. (Watching the pilot for the first time, you don't know to look for black smoke.) Adding it all up, I believe Desmond was responsible for veering the plane off-course, and Smokey (who can fly) was responsible for bringing the plane down. It would satisfy the discrepencies between the two theories (that the Losties were drawn to the island and that Desmond was partially responsible).

    ... And yes, that would mean the writers lied, Raven.

    Regarding Henry, WHY would he say anything about "HIM" at all? Why even need to lie about that? He was content to sit in his room and NOT speak for days. He could have easily avoided the subject but chose to broach the topic himself. Why would he fawn over a general when he could just keep his mouth shut? Furthermore, if Henry is really the Big Leader, wouldn't the Others come after him instead of trusting Michael to do their dirty work? Seems like the rest of the Others placed an awful lot of trust in an unpredictable Michael to set free someone as important as Henry. It just doesn't add up.

    And concerning the map, why would I possible care who drew the map? Wow, some mystery there. The real issue is why the map exists and what it denotes. Can you tell me how knowing who made the map brings us any closer to real answers? Why is it even significant? We know jack sh*t about this Rezinski guy. For all we know, he left the Swan station to join the Others and became "HIM." Again, all we have is baseless speculation. Arrrrrrgh!
     
  15. RunninRaven

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    Sounds to me like you would be better off just not watching the show.
     
  16. VesceySux

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    Why? I really like Lost, and I am totally willing to suspend belief (which is why I am able to enjoy 24). But I also demand a little coherence in the shows I watch, and I think the audience should, too. Remember, season 3 was when Alias completely fell of its hinges. I am concerned.
     
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    Ditto. I mean, who didn't think new questions would come out of this finale? I had faith that they were gonna answer the questions of what brought the plane down and what happens when the button isn't pushed. Answers were delivered as promised.

    And any viewer who watched the show should have figured that the story isn't probably even half over. And with that comes many questions. Next season, the direction will more than likely be on the Others more than anything else. Yea, there's two questions for every answer on Lost, but this is Lost. Enjoy the ride...you don't see this type of show on tv that often.
     
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    This is the end of the 2nd season in a series that has been projected to last 7 seasons. It is extremely premature for any fan to expect so many answers so early. Consider these first couple seasons Act I. These questions, this hatch, these new names and faces, this is all setting the stage for greater things ahead.
     
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    Gale couldn't have predicted the hatch being destroyed. The hatch just wouldn't have "exploded" by not putting in the numbers. The hatch "exploded" because desmond had that failsafe key. Who know's if the others knew about Desmond, if he was back, that he knew about the failsafe, and had possesion of the key.

    Also, do we know it exploded? The was a sound (though not the sound of an explosion) and a white light but did it explode? Charlie was there. He may have made it out of the hatch but he couldn't have gotten far away from it. He was surprised that Locke and Eko weren't back yet. If there was a literal explosion he would have assumed they were dead.

    I don't think Michael and Walt will go on to rescue. There's too much mystery and potential still surrounding Walt's powers for the writers to let them get off the island. Walt will definitely play a major role in how the series is resolved.

    If the electromagnet was constantly discharged, I doubt that it had any affect on why it's almost impossible to find/get off the island.
     
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    I'll add this Agent's take.

    We don't know if there was an explosion. Like he said, Charlie was in or around the hatch at the time and he made it back, so it would make sense if others had such luck.

    Also, a possible explanation of the flying hatch door might be that there was a disruption in the electomagnetic polarity that caused the door to fly away from the hatch opening like two magnets repelling from one another.
     

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