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Carney with the 8th?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by TRIQSTER, May 23, 2006.

  1. onlyo

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    Carney 's shooting skills is good.His most problems are power and ballhanding skills.If he can become stronger ,he will be a good defender.
     
  2. Matt78777

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    I like redick (God knows we need shooting), but I wouldn't take him at 8. The only way I see us getting him is if we somehow make a deal for a mid first round pick.

    I'd be okay with Carney, Roy, Williams or Brewer
     
  3. Panda

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    It's nice to have an all around player with no glaring holes or concerns in his character or game. We need the best talent with the least risks, as we want to contend now and bad shooting or slow defense isn't to be cured definitely. Screw potential, we need help now. I don't trust the Rockets' scouting ability when it comes to potential either, did Griffin or Swift redeem their Potential tag? I don't want to hear that "oh we draft him because he's great potential", or "he's a great specialist, we just need to fill out the glaring holes in his game." Be sure the pick can play on both ends of the floor, that's all I ask.
     
  4. nilsrock

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    All you ask is a complete player with the nummber 8 pick.
     
  5. HillBoy

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    Panda is right: this team MUST get a player with the 8th pick with solid skills in the areas where they (Rockets) are weak. They have run out of time banking on guys with so-called "potential" like Swift - they need help NOW. They need to get younger and better if they are to even stand a chance in the WEST the next few years. Should the Mavericks go all the way and win the title, next season the Rockets will find themselves playing in a division with the past 2 NBA champions. They simply don't match up with Dallas & San Antonio with what they currently have on the roster.
     
  6. HAYJON02

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    To be fair we don't positively know that. We definitely didn't reach our rosters ceiling, we reached what was left of our rosters ceiling. True they're not going to be Detroit with Juwan and Wesley but we haven't seen 2 top level stars on the same team compete at the highest level in quite a while. There's a lot of risidual negativity clouding our opinion of the team overall. I'm really excited to see what they can do together.
     
  7. TriCkz

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    Is it possible to trade Swift and our 2nd round for a 1st rounder?
     
  8. thumbs

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    Hillboy, who is your first, second and third choice at #8?
     
  9. forchette49

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    Roy/Carney with the 8, and Novak/Pittsnogle with our 2nd.
     
  10. clutch0734

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    I don't understand why everyone here isn't giving more importance to our shhooting...all last season our #1 problem was outside shooting..everytime Yao was doubled or tripled he kicked it out to see one of our guards clank 3pointer after 3 pointer....Has everyone forgotten that...we need a guard who can SHOOT!!!!!!!! All the people that argue Reddick can't create on his own..who cares..he doesn't have to..he will be left open with Yao being dobuled and TMAC drawing double teams when driving....Reddick doesn't miss....i saw earlier a posting that said you can improve your shooting with hard work but you can't improve length and size so we should not take reddick....How many plaoyers have you seen in the league that actually work on their shooting and really improve...not many...you are what you are....I would be fine with taking reddick....
     
  11. hooroo

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    rocks settled on jacking up those shots from the perimeter because they had no one who could effectively get to the basket or make a jumper. it's a low percentage shot of course it's going to get uglier when things aren't happening.

    even worse was every other scrub guard in the league having career nights against houston.
     
  12. Diaw

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    hi
    i hope swift is still worth a first round pick without giving up our #32nd pick (wich i hope we can trade for NY #29 and take Novak, the knicks are over the cap so an early 2nd round pick without guaranteed contract might please them ...)
    with NO and NJ in need of big men, it seems possible (#15 of NO would be nice, some descent PFs, better than Swift, would still be available)
     
  13. thumbs

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    At this point, J.R. Smith and the Hornets' 15th pick for Swift sounds good but looks risky. Smith is either immature (which is acceptable) or a bonehead (which is not acceptable). Even if Smith works out well (and that would be sweet), will an acceptable PF replacement (Cedric Simmons, Shelden Williams or Tiago Splitter) still be available at #15? That is a huge risk.
     
  14. JayZ750

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    You still have pick #8, though....you could take a PF there and a SG/SF at #15.

    I think it would be a great trade. Maybe Carney or Brewer are still available at #15. You'd add J.R. Smith, a PF (say Shelden Williams), and another wingman (say Carney - who is going 15th right now in the draftexpress mock, or Brewer), but losing Swift.
     
  15. Diaw

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    worst case : those big 3 are gone, but Hilton Armstrong and Paul Millsap would be available with that pick ... their profiles at draftexpress are interesting, but i havnt seen Millsap in game, and Armstrong was in foul trouble when i watched Uconn games lol
    that said, maybe we should draft Sheldon Williams with the #8th pick and if we land NO's 15th , take a SG (Redick, Brewer, Collins, Carney, Douby, etc ...according to draftexpress, they would be available at #15)
     
  16. Diaw

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    oups, JayZ750 was faster than me :mad: sorry :D
     
  17. thumbs

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    Your are absolutely correct. I forgot that in this scenario we were not involving our #8 pick. However, I think Roy will be available at #8 and that's who we will acquire -- although an athletic, intelligent PF with shooting range would be very sweet indeed.

    But we mustn't lose our grip on reality. Acquiring too many rookies might make JVG lose his hair.
     
  18. waran007

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    I'm not sure that the Hornets would part with Smith and that pick so easily for Stromile, but if they do, we could make out like bandits.

    We'd then just have to plan for whatever the best player available at 8 would be. Even if it's Marcus Williams, we could then draft a guy like Simmons, Splitter or Armstrong (Shelden would be long gone) with the 15 and then a specialty guy like Pittsnogle or Novak at 32. That would be a huge infusion of talent and would give us depth and youth for the first time in years at almost every position.

    What's important is that any big we draft had better be able to swing to center to back up Yao from time to time, as I expect Dikembe will continue to decline. Simmons, Shelden and Armstrong all fit that bill really well.
     
  19. Nero

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    well, yeah, but what's the OTHER thing that scares you?

    ;)
     
  20. Clutch

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    Carney just seems like the "guy" it will be, especially given T-Mac will probably know a lot about him. I think the 6 most intriguing guys at the moment (Bargnani, Morrison, Aldridge, Gay, Roy and Thomas) will be gone... but then, it's still so early. Between now and June 28th, when workout leaks start spreading around the Internet and LaMarcus Aldridge's Wunderlich score gets out, the mock draft boards will probably change a lot. I personally hope guys like Roy, Gay and Bargnani drop.

    I think the big question for the Rockets will probably be who ranks higher - Carney or Ronnie Brewer.
     

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