This guy's trade value has to be at the bottom of the pile right now with his contract and attitude problems. I'd like to know what you guys think Portland can trade him for. Will they have to throw in a first round pick or another player and take back expiring contracts? Or will they have to settle for getting basically nothing but contracts that add up to Miles' contract for players with no talent. Or will they have to actually eat salary to get rid of him? Or is there anybody that thinks they can get value for him, say a Maggette type player or somebody that is a top 7 rotational player on another team. Just curious what everyone's opinion of his value is right now. I have a difficult time seeing Portland being able to get very much at all for him. I would think they would jump on a deal that gave them a #1 draft pick, even if it was lottery protected. But that's just my opinion. Any other opinions?
Good reference thread here with a lot of people's comments about Miles. http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=111953 Portland has to trade Miles, in my opinion.
Agreed they must trade him. No way he and Nate McMillan can make it thru another season. They won't get a lottery pick for him either. I think the best they can hope for is another burned out player with a close enough salary match. They would be lucky to have a team throw in ANY draft pick to close the deal. I think Miles is radioactive while Zach Randolph could be salvageable. Some probably see it the other way around. Portland has work to do.
I can't really decide on this guy, whether to take the chance, or whether he is another JR. Rider....talented head case. I would therefore pass, just too much at stake with chemistry. DD
DD I agree with your sentiment here, but you're the same guy who was lobbying extensively for Rapin Patterson to come to Houston. I mean, talk about head cases....
So, you think the best offer they would get would be a player like Juwan Howard and whatever for Darius?
No doubt Sam, but they are different players with different skill sets. I could see Ruben Patterson playing a significant role on the Rockets and adding that competitivness that we were missing. Not to mention he is a big guard and a good defender. Miles is the opposite, an underacheiver. Therefore, I was willing to take on the baggage of Patterson, because I had a good idea what we would get, and how it complimented our team. Miles is just too much of an unknown, which is why I did not post in Clutch's earlier thread, I just could not decide. DD
Also, Darius Miles is known to create problems in the locker room. Ruben Patterson doesn't create many problems in the locker room because he doesn't rape his teammates - his raping is a hobby he keeps seperate from his professional life. That's the kind of teammate he is. Yeah. I know. At some point, I could no longer discern where the line was. I'm pretty sure I crossed it though. My apologies.
p.s. I'm so sick of Juwan Howard that I'd advocate gambling on Miles for Howard and scrubs. Feel free to tell me I'm crazy, but every single time I read Gundy's comments about Howard's "professionalism" I want to go all Darius Miles on somebody.
LOL, true. Patterson's troubles go beyond jsut the one incident - the guy's got a long rap sheet of hood-ish behavior including fights, domestic violence, etc. I can't recall what his locker room rep was exactly but I think the Portland locker room was so dysfunctional when he was there you had to murder somebody to stand out.
I can't understand what team, McHale and Isiah excluded, would trade for Miles? Contract aside, he's really not _that_ talented. He can jump, not as well as he used to, and is able to slide to the hoop off of two dribbles going right when nobody is in his way. That 47-point game against the Nugs two seasons ago was just a giant "meh," to me. He doesn't defend, doesn't get the flashy "defense" stats (blocks and steals) like he used to, never could pass, never could post up, and (at best, with those mechanics) will only develop the corner, 22-foot, three pointer. Obviously, Portland has to get rid of him, but who would need his skill set? Wingmen types who can't shoot are a dime a dozen, and when you throw in that massive contract, then what's the point?
Something like that. The Blazers are in a very bad position here. I'm not sure if they would allow him in training camp if he isn't traded before then. All the other teams know this. If our two trade exceptions added up to his contract we could probably get him for that. The guy can't be considered an asset because of his contract. I don't know if NBA rules allow it but they might need to pay some cash to get him off their hands (like happens in baseball). I know you like the guy and I though about him a bit last summer. But after he blows up with 2 completely different types of coaches (plus the alcohol thing which is VERY scary) many of us conclude he isn't worth it. If DM was on a cheap rookie contract and could be cut without taking up cap space, then things would be different. DM was smart enough not to become a jerk until he signed for the big $$$, which is another red flag. The NBA's guaranteed money helps to ruin people like him. He's lost his incentive because his actions have no consequences (and it shows).
jopatmc, I forgot to comment on his non-developed skillset. He still has no offensive game at all after 5 years, which is the last thing we need on this team. The only change from his rookie season is a few more pounds and the bad attitude. I agree with KellyDwyer.
Look, I do not like the guy from a personal standpoint. He seems like a pretty big jerk. But that's half the league. In my opinion, Miles will either be run out of the league or turn into a contributor under a coach like Van Gundy. And to say he has no offensive game is simply not accurate. Miles is a very good mid-range shooter. And we all know he can finish at the rim too. He has just been extremely unprofessional for the last couple years or so because he thinks that is the way to get out of Portland. Since he is so badly thought of though, maybe we could convince Portland to send us Jarrett Jack in exchange for our smaller TE and then trade Miles for Howard straight up. You see, the real motive is how can we get rid of Juwan and what can we get for him? If Darius flunked out here, it couldn't be worse than Juwan spending 30 minutes a night getting the living tar beat out of him. I can't see any other possibilities to moving Juwan for any kind of talent at all.
LOL. I forgot about the other thread and see where you are coming from now. JH has 2 more years while Miles has 4. I would definitely do this deal if I were the Blazers because of the contract lengths (think Motay for Moochie and Vin Baker). From a Rockets standpoint I lean against it because Juwan as a backup PF is an asset while DM out of control hurts a team. Even with a vivid imagination, I just cannot see him contributing very long until he explodes again.
miles already has the talent and abilities of a good player, his work ethic and desire is probably nonexistent. like jvg said, he's tired of coaching knuckleheads so i wouldn't count on seeing him in a rox uniform.