Isn't this thread one of the stages of grief? Good grief, Charlie Brown! I've heard it all. To say that Domanick Davis couldn't carry (Reggie) Bush's jockstrap from sideline to sideline would be an understatement. DD would need Super Mario's help just to lift it. I've come to grips with the Mario pick and actually like the draft, but this thread is over the top. I'm an eternal optimist. My optimism, however, only goes so far. There is no way in God's creation that DD is even 70% of Reggie Bush. Time will tell, but to say DD is > Bush is just ridiculous.
I agree that Bush is much better than DD, but give DD some credit...in 2004, the dude rushed for 1200 yards, had almost 70 catches and 14 TD's. That season, only 2 players rushed for more TD's and only Westbrook caught more balls. The guy can play.
Perhaps Living up to hype is one thing, but comparing Bush and Davis makes no sense to me. Time will tell. I hope Davis proves me wrong.
The only thing that matters to me is who would have made a bigger difference on this team, Bush or Mario. I find it hard to believe that Bush would've been that much better than Davis that drafting Mario was a mistake. Our DL, and defense as a whole, was by far the worst in the league last year. Our running game was not. Our offense may have been horrible, but that was more due to no OL, bad coaching, no TE, and no WR outside of AJ. Those have all been addressed.
This is like the Yao v Francis debate. Everyone has their ties and and want to prove the other guy wrong. Everyone wants to point out the Jordan of football, but what if Williams is Hakeem or Barkley or even Stockton, then what? The gap between our best d-lineman and mario vs the gap between Bush and davis is much wider. Had we drafted Bush and Davis stayed healthy, the Texans might be in a situation the bears were in with Benson and Jones. Jones wouldn't give his space up and now its a chance that you could have a #5 still splitting carries. Who will Williams compete against? He'll come and instantly become the starter on the open side, weaver on the other with Smith and Johnson inside. On obvious passing downs, the 2 ends move inside and Babin and peak come off the edges.
bush = eric metcalf as others have said before, with the new schemes and OL additions, DD should be prolific. I'll be suprised if bush ever scores 14 TDs in a season.
Only in Houston would we even be having this discussion. While Mario Williams is destined to be the next Lawrence Taylor, Reggie Bush will be the next Eric Metcalf. Yep. Yep. Yep. If the Texans drafted Reggie Bush, everyone here would be declaring him the next Gayle Sayers. But hell, Gary Kubiak, a lifelong assistant with no head coaching experience is the greatest talent evaluator since Bill Walsh. It's nice to make ourselves feel better about our selection. It's what makes people sane.
There's no need to bash one guy while praising the other. I think Bush will do well in NO. And I also think DD will play well in Houston under the new Denver running scheme. Actually, I'm kidding. DD next year will amass 2,546 rushing yards and 47 TDs. Bush will run for -236 yards and actually cost the Saints 17 safeties. In fact, because of Bush, the NO franchise will be moved to Boise, Idaho (in the middle of the night), where Bush will play his remaining years in absolute obscurity. Is that enough dissonance reduction for y'all?
I don't understand why some are so quick to compare RB to Sayers, Faulk ect... but can't see comparing MW to Taylor, Smith or White. Neither has played a down in the NFL. I know MW played at a lesser program, but honestly the Pac 10 isn't exactly a powerhouse conference. It is full of teams that play great offense with little to no defense. USC played ND but their strength is on the offensive side of the ball( and they should have won that game but that is a different story). Reggie put up his worst numbers against UT which has close to NFL speed on defense. I think if Mario played for a major football program, like USC, FSU or U of Miami, he would have been even more highly touted than he was. If both of the guys live up to their potential then we will be fine. It is a toss up as to whether you would want a Reggie White or LT versus a Barry Sanders or Marshall Faulk. All of these guys had tremendous impacts on their teams.
Reggie Bush racked up 177 yards of offense against Texas 6.3 yards per rush and 15.8 yards yards per catch.
I didn't say he had a bad game, but the numbers weren't freakish like he did against some of the bad defenses he played against. I am not anit-Bush in the least, I think he will be very good. I was suprised they went in a different direction, but I look at it like this - if you have Bush rated as a 99 and Williams rated as a 96 then you look at our team. We have a high 80s to low 90s (under the same scale ) RB in DD, but we don't have a single player on the D-line that I would rate above an 80 - and that is being kind. I think TJohnson will play much better since he is being switched back to his natural position (at least I hope). Payne is a pretty good run stuffer but not much in the way of a pass rusher. Robaire is similar to Payne but with a little more pass rush ability. I think Peek and Babin will play better since they are going to their natural positions, but they are unknown and smallish. MW seems to be a perfrect fit. Again, USC played some good teams, but not stellar defenses. Plus, you have to wonder how much he benefited from the talent he had around him - an excellent Oline, QB, WRs, and TEs. I know NC State had 3 first round picks from the Dline, but I think time will show that Lawson is a good player but that he beneifted from the attention paid to MW. McCargo was a reach by Buffalo.
Just as wildly speculative as saying bush = sayers, only with far less ground for argumentation. Let 'em play. Then we can all play armchair GM and act like we would have known better in the heat of the moment. Heck, in five years we might all be rueing the day we passed on Cutler. You just never know.
I support the Houston Texans in whoever thay draft. Mario Williams had 14 and a half sacks last year. In the National Football League, there are 16 games plaid. That means Mario Williams will have 20 sacks minimum, and maybe more! I think Reggie Bush will be a very good player too. I wanted Reggie Bush at the start of the draft. Reggie Bush will probably get rookie of the year. I think Mario Williams will be defensice player of the year!
While Mario may have a great future ahead and is certainly an exciting player, you can't project NFL numbers directly from college numbers. It just doesn't work that way.
Yet LenDale got more touches and had a more impressive game. When the game was on the line, White got the call, not Bush. Red flag time.
And USC lost. I doubt there's a person in America who wouldve done it the exact same way. Pete Carroll made a mistake. If 177 yards of total offense against one of the best defenses in the country is the worst game of your season, that's pretty good. What was Mario Williams worst game of the season? 0 sacks.
How many tackles did he have that game? Not arguing that the game wasn't bad (b/c I don't know), just pointing out that there's a lot more to DE than sacks.
