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FA's with our MLE and TE

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Slick Rick, May 2, 2006.

  1. jopatmc

    jopatmc Member

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    I would think Tony Delk would be a great acquisition for us as a backup PG. Probably get him for minimum or maybe slightly more.
     
  2. sunn99

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    heres an article about some thoughts for the future

    http://www.***************/article_17236.shtml

    aside from the suggestion to offer up tmac + swift + additional pieces (one of our picks?) for magliore and redd (which i think is a great idea, considering tmacs health is not going to improve, its only damage-control) this bit about v-span caught my eye

    "Contrary to popular opinion, buying out V-Span’s contract does not count against the Rockets’ salary cap. Every NBA team has a $500,000 budget for this specific purpose. Teams used to have a $300,000 budget, but this amount was increased in the last CBA because negotiating foreign contracts has become so commonplace in the NBA. "

    so we would have

    alston/vspan
    redd/head (dont even start w/the laughs)
    carney?/bogans
    magliore/howard
    yao/deke

    i like those odds
     
  3. DJ Naztorious

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    as soon as i saw the *****s, i knew it was a hoopsworld article.
    i just posted something very similar in the Wing Players Trade Thread on page 8. i would say great minds think alike, but i don't wanna be associated with that Bill Ingram guy.

    this could work, but i don't see Milwaukee taking an older, chronically hurt TMac for its blossoming star. of course, my trade scenario could also be ripped, b/c they'd be giving up a star (Redd) for 2 legit backups (Head & Stro) and a rookie that may not end up being as good as Redd [a hypothetical Top 3 Draft Pick].
     
  4. sunn99

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    i just read your post and i think it at least has legs. ill grant you (along w/others) that they may not bite, but its at least worth a try. tmac gives them what they need (mutliple scoring threat, shooting or slashing) and we get a great shooter (though not limited to that only) and hopefully could still swing magliore. again, i think its at least worth floating...and worst-case scenario, im flamed worse than you :p
     
  5. BrentStl

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    dear sweet lord, what is wrong with you people!?

    I'm not much of a poster, I mainly just scan to get a feel for what's going on - but sometimes I just can't hold my tongue.

    First off, I got beef with DJ Naztorious:

    Why are we even talking about putting Luther Head in a trade package? We got more than a legit draft pick with that kid, he has promise to be a major piece for this franchise. I'm with everyone else here whose stomach turns every draft night just knowing that we might be going after another Zan Tabak, Richard Petruska, Dan Langhi (although I was a supporter while he was here), or Jason Collier.

    Attention all posters, raise your hand if you DON'T have flashbacks to hearing Commissioner Stern announce: "With the eighteenth pick in the 1998 NBA Draft, the Houston Rockets select Rasha... Mirsad Turkcan from Turkey." Heck, even if it wasn't Rashard Lewis... why in the world did we draft a mediocre guy from Turkey who nobody knew?

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    Sure Head wasn't the ROY, but for his draft position and his role on the team he had a stellar rookie year.

    _____ G GS MPG FG% 3PT% REB AST SPG TO PF PPG
    05-06 80 27 28.9 .403 .361 3.3 2.7 1.11 1.49 2.10 8.8

    How about your precious Sam Cassell? Don't get me wrong, I adore the man... but look at how he started out his career:

    _____ G GS MPG FG% 3PT% REB AST SPG TO PF PPG
    93-94 66 6 17.0 .418 .295 2.0 2.9 0.89 1.42 2.10 6.7
    94-95 82 1 23.0 .427 .330 2.6 4.9 1.15 2.04 2.50 9.5

    On top of this, Sam came into a team with solid leadership, experience, and an extremely set rotation. By contrast, Luther came into the NBA to a team with major injury issues where the roster constantly flipped. We had to ask the kid to do adjust to guys like McGrady and/or Yao being out and thus Ol' Luther had to adjust his playing style, tempo, and role on the team several times.

    We've got a solid young guard who has every earmark of being able to fulfill everything we're looking for in a guard... speed, defense, shooting, and willingness to be coached. And we have him on a nickel and dime rookie contract until 2009! This kid needs a parade.


    Now onto my beef with all the McGrady bail-out bandwagoneers... I spent 16 years in the Summit as a season-ticketholder starting with Olajuwon's first year. I've seen a lot. I can't tell you how pleasantly surprised I was with McGrady's comments when he arrived and throughout his term as a Rocket. The man is more than a nice guy with his priorities in-line, he's the kind of guy you can depend on to build a franchise around... he has character !

    Now a nice smile and good intentions will get you dusted on the court. But ask yourselves when you have ever seen a player take over a game like McGrady? Steve Francis thought he could, heck we encouraged him for a while, but it was all luck. McGrady has incredible talent, but is also a very smart player and actually has some concept of proverbial "shot selection."

    As for his durability, there are questions. I don't think there's any indication he'll say in the emotional funk he was in during parts of last season. Frankly, his depression this year made me like him more. He's a decent guy. I want to win, but look at what happened in Portland... they aggressively pursued every deal that could get them close to a championship and they wound up with fans printing signs saying "We need a team that can beat the Lakers, not women and the law."

    As for his back, etc. Yes he's wearing down, but all players do. Everyone heard all about his back issues before he even got to Houston. But look at the guy's career stats.

    In his second season with Toronto (1998-1999), he played in only 49 games. Since then (barring this season) his average games-played over those 6 seasons is 75 2/3. Not perfect, but certainly not bad.

    Consider this, since his first year in Orlando (2000-2001 Most Improved Player) he has started all but one game in which he has played. And this is a guy who, since 2000-2001, has averaged 39.4166666666 minutes per game!



    Guys, we have a lot more to be excited about than you think. Yes we're going to have more scrubs than we'd like on the bench next year, but I think we're on a darn good path to getting a solid nucleus here. T-Mac isn't even going to turn 27 for a few weeks! I haven't even mentioned the phenomenal improvement Yao has made. The bench needs work, but a starting lineup of Alston, Head, T-Mac, Howard, and Yao (plus a lottery pick who could possibly contribute as our 6th or 7th man) sounds pretty good to me.
     
  6. omax

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    Maybe I'm just reaching way too high but.....Does anyone think that maybe
    Peja Stojakovic would be willing to sign here for a chance to play with Yao and T-mac??

    :confused:
     
  7. saleem

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    No we can't get Peja even if he wants to come here.
     
  8. GATER

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    You're reaching but high is not the direction.

    We have zero use for the leagues highest-mileaged 28.9 year old who plays zero D forcing McGrady to always take the tougher of the SG/SF, and whose signing means we have no MLE money for anyone else including Spanoulis and our 2nd round pick.

    Think about it. Artest took the Kings to WC playoffs. The injury-riddled Stojakovic can't get off of Indy's bench vs NJ. If we were that desperate for a "gunner" (and we're not) at least Redick is a SG and he wouldn't eat up an entire MLE.
     
  9. DJ Naztorious

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    first off, i have beef with BrentStl. :mad:
    um, actually, i don't have beef with you. :D
    i agree with you. :cool:
    i liked Luther in college, and if you check my posts [as Biggienaz786] dating back to the day we drafted Head in the summer, i'm one of the few ppl that has always had faith in him and thought he was special. when he was getting all those steals during the preseason and summer league, when everyone was saying he wouldn't/SHOULDN'T get any PT b/c of his lack of shot, i stuck by him.
    i still think he will be special.
    all those trade rumors/ideas during the fall involving him and dwesley - i'd chime in and try to dispel the idea, instead making up a trade that spared luther.
    he's a good kid and i like him a lot.

    i was just suggesting that if it meant getting michael redd in return, i would finally agree to give him up. a sign of a good trade, as one of the posters has said, is when you're giving something up something that you don't wanna give up - or something to that effect. if we're getting michael redd, a Top 3 Pick + Stro are not gonna do it; we would HAVE to throw in Luther. that was the only reason i included him.
    otherwise, i would rather have him stay a Rocket for his whole career. i like having good people play for Houston.

    and btw - i remember all those drafts, too.
     
  10. Pringles

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    umm.. you sure? if you are then tell me how we got lampe and the TE for moochie? or how did we get fitch and the TE for derek? anyway, since we have two TE thats around 4 milliion ( i think) maybe we can do a sign and trade deal for a legit 3rd scorer. with the two TE and juan that could equal up to 10 million dollar. i think we should get a legit sg. we use our draft pick on sheldm williams if roy or carney isn't pick. and sign v-span and qwuintin woods. don't resign any player except for hayes.don't trade swift unless we can get someone realy good for him. our line up should look like this:

    PG: Rafer, V-Span, Sura
    SG: ????, Luther, Sura
    SF: Tracy, Woods
    PF: Williams, Swift, Hayes
    C: Yao, Mutombo, Swift
     
  11. m_cable

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    You can't combine the TE with other TE's or player contracts. The player you're trading for has to have a contract that's lower or equal to the TE in order to fit. The heat had a small TE worth about 1.7 or 1.8 million. Since anderson was making 1.6 million he fit right in.

    And the Hornets didn't have a TE. They had enough cap space to cover the difference. It's a big difference because they can always offset incoming trade salaries if a team has enough cap space. We did get a TE out of that deal because we sent out more salary than we took back. But the two TEs cannot be combined.

    So we have a 1.6 million TE and about a 3.8 million TE. So we can trade for a player or more than one player making 3.8 million or less. And 1.6 million with the other TE.
     
  12. Pringles

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    ok. thanks for clearing that up. well then. i guess their useless.... lol
     

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