I'm not sure about working under the table, or using fake social security numbers and paying taxes from a personal perspective. I was only going by the article I posted earlier, other articles and news commentary. So I don't know how the fake numbers work. I would assume they aren't made up, but come from perhaps deceased folks, or that kind of thing, so they might show up as legit in the paperwork. I have no idea, so it is probably wrong of me to guess. The articles could be wrong, and I certainly don't maintain that they represent anywhere close to 100% of the illegal workforce. I am also in the middle on this argument, because I don't like rewarding people who shortcut the system, and all of that. It is just at the same time I see illegals working to make the clothes we wear, grow the food we eat, build the homes live in, maintain our offices, houses, and lawns. I understand they work hard to make our nation and our society run. It is understandable they want to be a part of something they work so hard to contribute to. I can see both sides to the argument.
that was why I decided to bother with a response, I know you are a professional type, adn probable didnt have much experience with the lowpaying jobs of the lower-middle and lower class workers....which I do. the jobs that most migrant workers fill are either money under the table, or 1099 jobs(independent contractors)...with 1099 jobs...it is the workers responsibility to deal with the taxes at the end of the year...not the companies. The worker may have given a fake SSN, but all that means is that the government doesnt have any way of tracking them down to make them pay their fair share...and since a 1099 job doesnt get taxes taken out during the year....they dont have to pay anything if they dont want to. And my contention that we have plenty of homeless/welfare that could fill those positions that illegals currently have is a far better solution than sending the message that you dont have to follow our laws in this country.
There may be enough qualified welfare and homeless to fill those jobs, but that doesn't take away from what the people who are currently working are contributing at the moment. Actually my early work experience was not in the professional mode. I worked in an unairconditioned wharehouse, where most of the workers spoke only Spanish. I assume most, if not all were legal because I know the books at that company were legit. I also didn't speak Spanish much at all back then, and so I didn't talk much about that kind of thing. I do know that our taxes were taken out of our paychecks. But I respect your experience in the regards of independent contractor taxes, and the like.
I'm not sure how you have a right to protest in the street when you don't have the right to be on the street, in the town, county, state, or country. And considering the government can then pick you up off the street and deport you, how does that functionally (or otherwise) translate into having the right to protest?
It's undisputed that the equal protection clause extends to illegal aliens, so a targeted state action against them and them alone on grounds that would otherwise be forbidden under the first amendment would theoretically be unconstitutional. In practice as you note, not too many illegal aliens would bring a lawsuit to enforce their first amendment rights as they would be exposing themselves to deportation (which is also sort of in the constitution under the authority of Congress to oversee immigration) and plus it would raise standing questions which would be their own logical maze.
No, its like saying you can't protest not being able to stand in my living room when you're not supposed to be in my living room.
Yeah, I'm not disputing what you're saying re: the Courts and equal protection. It seems counterintuitive that they would HAVE the right to protest when being here at all isn't a right they have. That's more what I'm getting at.
I can think of four separate instances where friends or family members have been in an accident with someone they described to be Hispanic. In all four cases, the other party ran which leads me to believe that they didn't have insurance and we're likely illegal immigrants. Take it for what you will.
So why would you have a work stoppage when the people you work for are your biggest supporters in the United States?
Sam has already provided my answer but to add to it Halfbreed's comment didn't state illegal or illegal and neither did your fiirst one on the matter. You both said "citizens" when the Bill of Rights extend to anyone on US soil. Further yes you are correct but that an illegal alien is still subject to deportation just as someone violating parole is subject to being arrested. That doesn''t meant that they aren't granted other constitutional protections. So there is a functional issue but not a technical issues since those rights are still in place.
Sishir Chang.. I think she may have bruises too, but no major stuff. They called an ambulance, but she thought she was okay. She's probably like 5'2 and not much more than 100lbs so has actually always wondered if airbags would be a problem because she is small.
To be honest, much of what I say is just based on individual stories. I don't have the facts or numbers to actually say what percentage do or do not pay taxes etc.. but I hope I am wrong and that many do have insurance, etc. I'm open to the fact that I may be off base on this.
Yet they don't even though there are many welfare to work programs. Anyway, I don't know the statistics off hand, believe that there are enough homeless who are able enough to fill the 12-15 million jobs that illegals are taking. Yes in an ideal world all of the homeless and welfare recipients would take up those jobs but this is anything but an ideal world. As long as there is a supply of capable workers willing to work for lower wages than most Americans and a demand for them its inevitable that there will be immigration, illegal or legal. Many of you see this as a bad thing but IMO that's short sighted because you're not considering the benefit of keeping inflation down and the US workforce competitive. In the long run as long as immigrants also send capital back to their own countries they help build up their own economies which helps us in the long run. There are many problems with why the homeless and welfare aren't filling positions are illegals are doing. One is that there are too many regulations that discourage employers from hiring those people while its easier to through networks of illegal aliens. The other is that many of the homeless and welfare population have mental and other illnesses that render them incapable of doing a lot of that work and finally there is a proportion of that population that is just plain lazy. If we were going to really get serious about getting more homeless and welfare recipients working we would need some pretty major changes in regulations and incomes which would increase the costs in many things. I personally think we need some major reforms but for now we're not seeing that. The problem with this idea that we can just close our borders and kick out all the illegals is that given the nature of our economy that is highly impractical if not impossible.
That's good to hear. Air bags are a double-edged sword since they have to deploy with enough force to counter the force of the crash so what it comes down to is would you rather get hit by the airbag or the steering wheel. I've heard some research being done into making smart airbags that can adjust the force they deploy with and also different designs on how they deploy so they don't just explode into someone's face. I don't know enough about cars to know if these are being used yet.
Ok I'll play ...for a sec. I understand that the right to assemble is NOT protected for visitors under the Constitution. But simply because it is NOT protected, it doesn't make it illegal to do so. So demonstrate to me how it is illegal for visitors within the US to engage in a protest on U.S. soil. I'm not aware of such a law. They can be deported based on the grounds that they are here illegally but protesting is another matter. But to ONLY focus on the protesters that happen to be illegal narrows the scope of the broader topic which includes the legal protesters. Lets say all the illegal immigrants didn't engage in the protest ...it is only an academic argument because the protest at large would have still taken place ...by the remaining LEGAL immigrants. So I don't understand your need to make the distinction.
The same way it's illegal for people to protest in the streets after a legally imposed curfew. Their very presence is breaking the law. The 1st Amendment isn't absolute.
