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Clooney, Brownback, Obama and Osama call for Sudan intervention

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  1. HayesStreet

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    http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/27/darfur.clooney/

    Clooney, senators urge action on Darfur

    Thursday, April 27, 2006; Posted: 5:24 p.m. EDT (21:24 GMT)


    Actor George Clooney joined Senators Sam Brownback, left, and Barack Obama to discuss Darfur Thursday.
    B WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Oscar winner George Clooney Friday joined two senators, Republican Sam Brownback of Kansas and Democrat Barack Obama, to appeal for greater action to address what is being described as genocide in Sudan's Darfur region.

    The three urged more attention across the board -- by the United States, other nations and world institutions.

    "What we cannot do is turn our heads and look away and hope that this will somehow disappear," Clooney said.

    "Because if we do, they will. They will disappear," he said, noting that an "entire generation of people will be gone. Then, only history will be left to judge us." He pointed to the massacres in Rwanda, Cambodia and the Balkans in recent years. (Watch Clooney get passionate about Darfur -- 1:59)

    The director and recent winner of an Academy Award for best supporting actor for his role in "Syriana" will be attending the Save Darfur rally in Washington Sunday, one of several such demonstrations across the United States.

    Other prominent speakers expected at the Washington rally include Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel, "Hotel Rwanda" proprietor Paul Rusesabagina, entertainment mogul Russell Simmons, Olympics gold medalist speed skater Joey Cheek, and former NBA star Manute Bol, who was born in Sudan.

    Clooney was recently in Sudan with his father and showed a brief film of their trip.

    He related a story about meeting a "little elf of a young woman" who asked him in Arabic, "When will you come back," and "When will you stop this?"

    He said he told the translator to tell her that "we'll be there soon."

    Clooney said she laughed, held onto his finger and said, "That's what you always say."

    Clooney noted that world bodies have given various reasons why they cannot expend their resources to deal with the conflict.

    For example, the U.S. government is stretched thin militarily, the United Nations doesn't want to step on the toes of the African Union, and NATO is worn down by the Afghan conflict.

    "It is the first genocide of the 21st century," Clooney told an audience at the National Press Club, and what the people in Darfur "need now is the American people and the world's population to help them."

    The issue transcends politics, said Clooney, flanked by Obama and Brownback.

    The crisis in western Sudan's Darfur region has resulted in tens of thousands of deaths and the displacement of nearly 2 million people since February 2003, when people there began to rebel against state authority.

    The government launched a campaign to put down the rebels, and in the resulting fighting, the number of casualties and the refugee crisis grew.

    An Arab militia, the Janjaweed, has attacked ethnic black Africans, raping women and pillaging villages. The militia is accused of widespread atrocities with the support of the government, and drought has compounded the problem.

    More than 200,000 refugees have fled to Chad, seeking refuge from famine and war.

    In 2004, then-Secretary of State Colin Powell labeled the crisis a genocide.

    Bin Laden's Latest Rant: The Darfur Genocide as Holy War
    by Austin Bay
    April 26, 2006
    Discussion Board on this On Point topic


    Last week, on a tape aired by the Arab news channel Al-Jazeera, a voice claiming to be Osama bin Laden declared war on the world.

    The geographic range of the 21st century caveman's rambling verbal jihad should impress Rand McNally.

    Bin Laden's latest tape promotes attacks in India, Kashmir, East Timor, East Africa and Sudan.

    The Sudan rant is particularly interesting. He fingers the proposed U.N. peacekeeping force in Sudan's tragic Darfur region as an enemy -- which suggests bin Laden supports Sudan's genocide in Darfur. He encourages combat against large swaths of the human race. He condemns his Zionist-Crusader enemies (that usually means Israel and the United States, but now appears to include the United Nations). He dumps threatening bile on Hindus (India).

    We know he doesn't like Buddhists -- his Taliban allies proved that when they literally defaced Afghanistan's Bamiyan buddhas with high explosives. Confucianists seem to get a pass, but after al-Qaida defeats the West and subdues the subcontinent, no doubt Osama will crush China and the Far East.

    Muslims, however, remain bin Laden's biggest enemy, perhaps not in theory and propaganda, but certainly in the flesh-and-blood world of murder and human massacre. Bin Laden, al-Qaida and its various affiliates have killed more Muslims than any other religious group, and Darfur is an example.

    Since early 2003, nearly 200,000 people have died in the Sudan government's war with Darfur rebels. The Sudan government backs a variety of Islamist militias, many of them operating on horseback or in wheeled "technical vehicles" armed with light machine guns and rocket launchers. Darfur's rebels are a mixed bag of farmers, villagers and pastoralists. The rebels are also an ethnic mishmash, though most of them are black Africans. For the most part, they are Muslims, however, with a leavening of tribal animists.

    Here are bin Laden's purported taped instructions vis a vis Darfur: "I call on mujahedeen and their supporters, especially in Sudan and the Arab peninsula, to prepare for long war again the Crusader plunderers in Western Sudan. Our goal is not defending the Khartoum government, but to defend Islam, its land and its people."

    If the tape is authentic -- and that is a big if -- the call for an anti-U.N. jihad in Darfur is another self-inflicted information warfare wound by al-Qaida.

    Bin Laden is upset because the United Nations intends to take control of the Darfur peacekeeping mission. The African Union (AU) is in charge of the current peacekeeping operation, and it has failed to stop the slaughter.

    That's one reason this latest tape is a major propaganda error: Most of the world's opinion leaders -- including the liberal and left-wing "internationalistas" who spend a great deal of airtime, ink and electrons excusing Arab terrorists (particularly Hamas) -- have made the Darfur horror a cause celebre (ironically excusing one band of Islamic extremists, while damning another).

    Bin Laden has also made a second major political error: The peacekeeping mission is meant to protect Muslims. Once again, al-Qaida is promoting the murder of Muslims, a point the United States has been making since Sept. 12, 2001. It's not a new insight, but it has taken four and half years to make the point. Al-Qaida's bloody trail in Iraq is part of the proof. Al-Qaida's car bombs and suicide bombs in Iraq were detonated in the heart of the politically dysfunctional Arab Muslim Middle East. They killed a few American "Crusaders," but most of the dead are Arab Muslims (both Shia and Sunni).

    In the Darfur region, the black African Muslims savaged by the Islamist militias aren't quite "Muslim enough" for the True Believers and the Sudan government.

    In the 1990s, Sudan served as a haven and a base for bin Laden and key al-Qaida cadres. Perhaps bin Laden thinks he's paying off a political debt to Sudan's Islamists. That noted, the Sudan government has rejected bin Laden's call for a Darfur jihad.

    Why? Because bin Laden's a loser -- a dangerous loser still capable of mass murder, but no longer the ideological juggernaut of global Islam.
     
  2. Surfguy

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    Could OBL be in Darfur? Wouldn't it be hilarious if he was?
     
  3. CreepyFloyd

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    It's ridiculous that a couple of 100,000 dead in the Sudan is called a genocide, but 6 million dead in the Congo (DRC) is just ignored...I guess there's no Islamist componenet there to demonize
     
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    Why don't you fly to the Sudan and ask the hundreds of thousands of starving women and children if they give a damn about the DRC, or what relevance it has to their situation? Or better yet, what relevance does your statement have to anything in this thread? If you feel strongly about the DRC, then start a thread about it.



    Keep D&D Civil.
     
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    See, this is why I like Obama. This is why I want him to run. Hell, let the two senators run on one ticket (Mixed parties and all), and I'd vote for them.

    This is the kind of thing that our "humanitarian nation" needs to pay more attention and raise more awareness for.

    My English teacher last year was obssesed with this story, so we always heard stories and tales from the region, and they're just horrifying.
     
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    Clooney, Brownback, Obama and Osama
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    Thats quite a bit of star power ~ looks like Oceans 13 is a go.
     
  7. HayesStreet

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    Yeah Obamam and Osama is a good hook at the end. :)
     
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    Sudan is in a state of civil war, it's certainly sad how thousands and thousands of civilians are caught in the middle.
     
  9. CreepyFloyd

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    Two Questions:

    What happened to keeping D&D civil?

    What is the DNC? Democratic National Committee???
     
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    Uh Deckard.. He wrote "DRC" not "DNC". DRC stands for Democratic Republic of Congo.
     
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    If America has learned anything in recent years it is that isolationism is the best policy. Don't meddle in a cooking pot, thats not yours.
     
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    Then I'll edit it. I'm sure Creepy knew who I was referring to, since I was responding to his post. Besides, I've got the DNC on my brain. ;)



    Keep D&D Civil.
     
  13. MadMax

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    that's untenable. you don't start wars. you don't use military might to overpower the world. but you do use it to help people out who are being slaughtered. you don't turn your back on holocaust. you don't turn your back on genocide.
     
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    Just becuase you dont fight wars doesnt mean you turn your back.
     
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    It's past time for both parties here to reclaim the American spirit of helping others because it's the right thing to do. One of Clinton's biggest failures as President, and he admits it, was his failure to intervene in Rwanda. He did the right thing in the Balkans, but it shouldn't have mattered which continent the bloodbath was occurring on.



    Keep D&D Civil.
     
  16. MadMax

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    so what do you do? i'm not arguing with you...i hope this could be resolved without some peacekeeping force going there. but how do you resolve it? how do you convince people to stop wiping the other group off the map?
     
  17. CreepyFloyd

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    If the majority of the people who are dying in Darfur or in Western Sudan are dying as a result of disease and starvation....how is this a genocide? It doesn't meet the definition of that term...so I think people are irresponsibly throwing that word around

    http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=genocide

    I wonder why the rest of the world isn't as passionate about the Congo (DRC), where 6 million people have died

    It's easy to see which situation is more dire and which country needs more assistance...yet you hear nothing of the Congo except from Dikembe Mutombo
     
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    is the disease and starvation an accident? mere forces of nature? what's their cause?
     
  19. CreepyFloyd

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    Civil war is much different than genocide

    genocide is a very strong and serious term and the situation in the Sudan simply does not qualify as genocide
     
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    How many are killed from violence here? Just look at Spring, TX. We rush off to fight wars when people really should try to bring true peace and non-violence within ourselves. That's harder than fighting any war.
     

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