Yeah, Cutler shot up in the draft because of work outs, so what? Vince shot up to Top 7 because of his Rose Bowl performance. Anyone can get hype and improve their stock by doing well in workouts, games, etc. I have heard plenty of times that Cutler is below Vince and Leinart. Is that not a negative? Cutler got some hype early but it's like he's disappeared recently. That's pretty negative! Leinart's negatives I've heard- weak arm, injury prone, slow as crap, benefited form a talented team. Comparing the criticism Vince has gotten to other players, I don't believe he is a victim of any unfair scrutiny.
Um, no. He may have entered the draft because of his Rose Bowl game, but if you think he wouldn't be a potential top 7 picked based on his entire year last year, then I think you're sorely mistaken.
there's that word "victim" again. anyway you're right, shooting up because of workouts is the same as shooting up in the Rose Bowl against the supposedly greatest team of all-time. never mind that vince came in second in the heisman ballot. you're exactly right. thanks for clearing that up
If you honestly think that Cutler's hype --who was from a guy on a losing team that nobody had heard of to being mentioned as the best QB on the draft) and Young's buzz --who was anointed as superman on Jan 3, and who has since been to allegations that he's too slow, stupid, a lot like Akili Smith, blah blah blah, and who has managed to appear in the "Sliders/Losers" column of pretty much every major publication -- have suffred a similar degree of scrutiny despite not a single snap having occured since then, you're honestly on another planet. Same same with Leinart. Everybody knows the negative stories about Vince's agent. Leinart's agent escapades have gotten a microscopic fraction of those (admittedly ridiculous) stories in the press
lets just compare vy hype to alex smith hype. now alex smith is clearly smarter than most college football players including vy, I will concede that. but alex smith shot up the board running the same system, winning in a weaker conference. now I'm hearing draft people say it may already be time for frisco to cut their losses. they guy has a weak arm and small hands and has had trouble adapting. but the guy pretty much became the number one pick by default, when lienart decided to stay (a bad decision btw) and no one questioned was he worthy.
Well it sounds like VY might not go higher than 7 right now. So it is logical to think that before his Rose Bowl appearance he was below that. Since he didn't enter until after the Rose Bowl it is har dto say.
Vince has gotten more press period. More negative as well as more positive. You don't have guys on ESPN writing articles that the Texans will regret not taking Cutler and you don't hear that Cutler is "Jordanesque." You also don't have Chronicle writers saying the Texans will need Mario Williams to stop Cutler when he is playing on the Titans. IMO, this is just part of the process. Bush has gotten criticized as well, for being small, not getting enough touches, not weighing enough, and now the family house thing. To me I don't see one player getting unfairly targetted. Actually yesterday on ESPN they brought up that Leinart got drunk at a party and apparently groped a girl and got slapped. That's going to happen when you are a top 10 pick. LenDale White got injured and got a barrage of criticism for being out of shape and slow, despite his great Rose Bowl appearance.
Nor did Cutler do anything to merit it, him having not had a transcendant performances in one of the 2-3 greatest games of all time, capping off one of the individual greatest seasons of all time. Cutler put on a pair of shorts, provided some quotes, and had what was reportedly a good week of practice at the Senior Bowl. Because Cutler isn't from houston, naturally chronicle writers might not say this. Maybe by people on this board, but overall? Didn't you just the other day cite to us how Bush is the number 1 prospect (on all the pre-draft hype boards) and always has been and always will be? When was the last time you saw Bush criticized for not working out at the NFL Combine? White actually WAS out of shape and slow, due to his injury. This whole thing would be a different story if Vince were out of shape, injured, and throwing wounded ducks downfiled, which is not the case. What did Vince do between January and now to show that he was slow, couldn't read defenses, etc? And as to Leinart, where's the people claiming that he's sliding in the draft board due to this latest grope/slap? I hadn't even heard of it till today.
Using where someone is drafted in the first 10 picks to denote how good they are overall is asinine. Not every team uses a "BPA" strategy to draft, y'know.
Umm There is a thread for all the arguing on the past page or so, and it isn't titled "[YAHOO] Reggie Bush Family Home - NCAA Violations". Move on or move out.
Do not put all your cards on the media, they make money by making big issues out of little situations, If you dont care, you dont watch, and if you dont watch, they dont make money, so they make you care by blowing it way out of proportion. I just saw an interview with him and apparently they moved out because they had found another house, which they had been looking for, you cant blame him because some sleezy agent(the worst freaking aspect of professional sports) was connected with the house and some more sleezy people. They are not dumb, i bet you this Micheal Micheals guy (classic sleezy agent name by the way) thought he was gonna get a peice of Reggie and now he realizes he isnt and he is upset, so i bet thats where this all stems from anyway. I'm sure this investigation will provide that the house was paid for in a normal fasion and no real wrongdoing occured, and if not that is just unfortunate cause they should be smarter than that, im sure they know everyone is gunning to bring them down, if your number 1 everyone wants you to fail, the most resilient athletes are the ones that work through that and become great dispite it.
Bush did not know about the house deal HAHAHAHAHAH Sure, Reggie, caught with his hands in the cookie jar. Vince Young could legitimatly end up with the Heisman trophy, if this is as bad as it sounds. DD
Maybe, unless other houses in the price range went for much higher values. If they are getting a freebie, or a considerable discount he is still in deep doo doo. DD
Maybe I'm the only one but I don't care what Bush's family got. I have a bigger problem with the NCAA basically making billions on free labor under guise of a free education even when they don't give the athletes the time actually go to class and study. Screw the NCAA.
Actually, I could see the Texans using this to their advantage. While I seriously doubt they care all that much about this money stuff while Bush was in college, if they play the "face of the franchise" card during negotiations they could perhaps convince Reggie/agent that he has lost some value in their eyes...dropping his price tag a bit. But other than that, I doubt this effects the Texans much at all.
I was thinking the same thing. IF the Texans really wanted to use this to their advantage, they should have "intensified" talks with Mario Williams just to keep Reggie at the end of his seat.
Hype as a first day draft choice, not as the top QB overall as people were saying at one point, though that talk seems to have subsided considerably from previous months.
I saw the Bush interview on the Draft Special and you know, it doesn't matter for his draft status, but it does to USC/Pac-10 and the Heisman...He side stepped it which is what he is suppose to do, but wasn't very convincing... He claimed he didn't know, but c'mon... Bush: Hey mom, how's it going Bush Family: Hey, guess what, we're moving to San Diego Bush: Really...How...er, nevermind.. Bush Family: We got a great deal, see you on Christmas Break... For all the VY haters, I'm sure someone is trying to dig up stuff in case Reggie loses the Heisman...
