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JVG wants 3 PG's and a 4 who can shoot. here are some options...

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by smoothie, Apr 22, 2006.

  1. Marsarinian

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    If you leave Stro/Jho there, where are you going to get that much fancied starter SG? By trading Wesley? lolz.. If we draft a 4, then Stro is definately going to go. I agree with you on the vet SG part, but we're going to have to trade Stro for this guy. Maybe Shelden Williams'll work, and we get Gansey or sb at 32#, but then who's gonna bench center? Even if we keep Deke, we still have to get a center. Then if Yao goes down, our frontcourt'll go waaayyyy into a big mess.

    So I think we may draft a SG (Roy preferably), and get V-Span, and keep Head to fill in the SG roll. Novak in the second round, and front court goes okay with Stro to back Yao. Somehow we get a PG with 3 ability, and wait for chemistry, I guess.
     
  2. maopaopao

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    3 PG for what purpose? Rockets needs a stable Shooter and a good rebounder
     
  3. crash5179

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    Daft

    With the first pick of the draft definitely pick the best player available.

    Josh McRoberts could feel JVG's call for a deep shooting 4 although he could be a year or two from really being ready for full time service.

    I like J.J. Reddick as well but I think 8th is to high to draft him. He would be a nice Jon Berry type of player if we could get him. Maybe even a Jeff Horncek type player would be perfect around Yao and T-Mac.

    With the 2nd pick I think we should go with P.J. Tucker. He is a bulldog that defends well, rebounds great from the 2 spot and has a decent outside shot. He plays really well in the clutch. A 6'5" 2 guard that can also guard and play the 3. One web site compared him to Mario Ellie, after watching several Texas games this past year I think that is a damn good comparison.

    A draft day trade scenario would be to trade our number 8 pick for someone elses later 2 number one picks such as Phoenix or New Jersey if we could get both JJ Redick and Kevin Pittsnogle. That would add the two best outside shooters from this draft to the team. A 2 guard and PF that can really help to spread the floor.

    Europe

    Of course I am a strong advocate of bringing over V-Span if we can get him to except a reasonable contract.

    Free Agency
    Players I would look at:
    V-Rad - great outside shooter and plays the 4
    Matt Harpring - Can play 2 or 3 and is a great outside shooter.
    Keith Van Horn - very good scorer to bring off of the bench and can play either forward spot.
    Sam Cassell - I don't know why he would come here since we can not offer him a lot but we all know what he can do when the game is on the line.

    Imagine going into training camp with:

    JJ Reddick, Kevin Pittsnogle, PJ Tucker, V-Span and V-Rad in addition to T-Mac, Yao, Refer, Bogans, Sura, Wesley, Swift, Howard, Hayes and Head.

    That group would have a lot of outside shooters, a lot of youth and some very good athletes.
     
  4. Rockets111

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    For some reason, I really think Jumaine Jones would help this team. He's 6'8", long, a good rebounder and a nice 3-point shooter. I think he'd fit perfectly. If we could add him, acquire Sarunas for cheap, and then add the two rookies from our draft picks (maybe a swingman like Brandon Roy and Rodney Carney; and a big with range like Pittsnogle with our 2nd rd pick) then that can be considered a nice offseason...

    Yao/Deke
    Howard/Swift/Pittsnogle
    Tmac/Jones
    Roy/Head/Bogans
    Alston/Jasikevicius
     
  5. crash5179

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    most people have Roy gone in the 1st seven picks unless one of our ping pong balls pops up and we get a top three pick.

    Pittsnogle would be a nice addition if we could get h
     
  6. pasox2

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    Draft Sheldon Williams. It's too hard to get a quality 4 in free agency or by trade. Draft one.

    Bring over V-span. Seems a given. We need the help.

    Put Head in the trade package. He doesn't have a place on the team.

    Trade our bad quality 4s, preferably for vet help at the 2 and 1. Need to exit these guys. There are a number of scenarios we can draft, but the target has been annouced - a replacement 4 with an outside shot. Sounds like Troy Murphy, maybe with a poison pill like D. Fisher. I don't see how we get him with our trade bait, though. Swift and Head and whatever other contracts (Alston?, Bowen? Sura retires?) aren't that sweet, as a package. Murphy/Fisher would be great though, to run with our stars, with Sheldon behind Murphy, and V-span, + behind Fish. Our course, we'd still need our two guard.

    Barring a deal like that, we have to be creative in exploring the market for these really pretty bad "power" forwards.

    I think we could trade Swift for say, Antonio Daniels. AD is overpaid, for a while, (5mil per) but would be very effective in our sets. He's the kind of player that could work, at the 1 and the 2, kind of like a stronger Sura. Had a great run in Seattle off a star like Ray Allen, should also play well with Tmac.

    Juwon is harder to move. I'd think we could move him to NJ for Jeff McInnis. NJ wants to move McInnis, they need some additional vet help at the 4. McInnis is a prickly guy, but he is a vet point guard. Enter backup point guard Mc Innis, exit Jho. Alternatively, we could try to move Jho for another guy another team wants to exit - like Fortson. We will have to be creative, but it's better to exit now. I doubt VG agrees with me on this, though. I have a feeling he will want to keep his boy.

    Try to get Matt Harpring with whatever we have left at the MLE after Vspan. This guy is perfect for vet leadership and knowledge, to play backup at 3 and 2, in our sets.
     
  7. Yetti

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    The overhaul of the Rockets is going to take two seasons and only then should we we thinking championships. The FIX, this off season will only go part way to adjusting the the team. We will need a starting PLAYMAKER Point Guard that can also pass to BIG men. We need a tall shooting guard that can defend and put the ball in the basket. We need a tall Small Forward that can back up Tracy McG and partly fill in for him everytime he is injured with his back.We also need a Power forward that can rebound and defend, as well as a replacement back up Center. The back up center may have to be in our second go around, unless Mutombo retires.
    I see the following coming back with a deserved place on the team:-
    STARTERS:Mc Grady, Yao Ming .........,...........,.............,
    BENCH: ALSTON,HEAD, BOGANS,HAYES,FRAHM,.............,
    ..............., .............., ...............,
    IMHO all the rest are inept or too old, too slow, too small and too low professional basketball IQ. They should be cut, traded and retired [This of course is no easy task as all the other team's management seem to have intelligence, except New York]
    If Mc Grady's Back keeps acting up again the Rockets may take five seasons to recover as they have so much money tied up in him. Possibly the Rockets take that chance or will they make an unemotional business decission?
     
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  8. CreepyFloyd

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    I don't wanna see Juwan on this team anymore...Trade him for anything...The Knicks will be more than happy to take him...They actually need help in the front court...They also took Mo Taylor off of our hands and even gave Jerome James a multi-year deal
     
  9. Sooner423

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    It may be weak defensively but it can't be worse than this year's team.

    Fisher is definitely a tougher defender than Rafer.

    As good defensively as Wesley was, he was still overmatched by everyone he matched up with. I'm sure you remember all of the times he was posted up by a bigger 2. Butler is hands down a better defender than Wesley at this point in their careers and it remains to be seen if how good Redick can be. He may be worse than Wesley but at least he won't have such a huge size disadvantage.

    Lafrentz is a better defender than Juwan. He also has shot-blocking ability and can grab a rebound. He also isn't overmatched size wise by every other PF in the NBA.

    And, I think your right. This would be a fun team to watch. Mainly because I think we would be winning.
     
  10. RocketsMac

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    if JVG wants that, he better be leaving next Year.. 3 PG's and a shooting 4 ?? ..what the heck is he thinking ?????.. we've seen how SUCCESSFUL a good shooting 4 was for us this season (thank u JHO, we all love u :mad: ). and 3 PG's?? what ???... we dont need 3 PG's .. and Head CANT play PG... Head might be successful at 2.. but no, not PG...

    all we really need for next year is a good backup for Sura ( yeah, like Mike James... but too bad we traded him :mad:. and no, Rafer wont work ).. Sura will be back, to all of Y'all hatin on the man, he will be back.. the dude is tuff and will lead us to a championship next season... that's the homework to fill the PG, get a good backup for Sura (not a pass first PG and all that crap, a PG who can shoot and handle, like Mike James :mad: ) ...

    now for the 2, we need a starter.. we have to draft somebody (Redick) or trade JHO to get a good one (the league is full of 2's).. and we have good backup: Wesley, Head, Frahm and Bogans (for size issues)...

    the 3, we have T-mac.. he plays 40+.. we can rest him 10 minutes and bring Bogans off the bench for 10 good minutes (Derek Anderson would've been great, but we traded him for Fitch :mad: )...

    now, the 4... the PF spot is called (Power forward), Power means rebounding, blocks, POST-UP.. not shooting and midrange and crap.. so there is no way in heck we are keeping JHO, he is the ----- ( I dont even wanna start)... if Swift proved to be dependable in the 4 (he has the potential and crap, but he needs to put EFFORT).. if he does, keep him, Chuck would be a good backup, and we can get somebody via trade (we have alot of trash, let them take Rafer, Brunson, Rybo, Lampe, JHO... )
    if Slowmile doesn't want to put effort, trade his *** (package him with all the trash and get somebody!!)

    the 5 is easy, Yao will hopefully be 40+, Deke is good for 10 good minutes..

    if that's not what JVG planning, he needs to go back to NewYork or stick to broadcasting or something.. he aint the right coach(if it's true that he wants 3 PG's and a (JHO) shooting 4...
     
  11. barbourdg

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    Rocketsmac, if you had 33 :mad: , and I had 13 more :mad: , but JVG had 18 more :mad: then me, what would the square root of the difference between you & JVG be?
     
  12. docgundy

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    Rocketsmac for GM of Rockets. He obviously knows more basketball than JVG.

    :confused:
     
  13. barbourdg

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    Crash, I like your idea of trading down for Reddick and Pittsnogle. But only if Roy and Camey are gone by #8. Logic says this draft is about 6-7 deep, but history tells us that some team will shock the world with their picks, and we may still get a shot of one of the top 6-7 prospects.

    But, if JVG has any say on draft day, your idea will never happen. He is not big on rookies, and rookies that can not defend will never cut it in his system.

    Hopefully Dawson and the new kid will make the ultimate decision. ;)

    If Roy and Camey are gone, I would draft Sheldon Williams. Then either keep him, or see how far Reddick falls for a possible trade. You have to pick the best player available at #8. At least you are left with some options....

    The Hornets with #13 and #17 look pretty good, if you were to trade down...
     
  14. RocketsMac

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    man.. that's a tuff one :mad: .. ;) :D
     
  15. RocketsMac

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    if mr.JVG wants 3 PG's and a shooting PF, plus all the stupid moves he's done (trade mike, trade derek, start Jho :mad: ), then my little brother (an elementary school student, 5th grader specifically) knows more basketball than JVG... :mad:
    and this is one more just for u barbourdg : :mad: .....lol
     
  16. Outlier

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    Dude, Derek is a loser. Stop supporting him.
     
  17. RocketsMac

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    dude, Derek wasn't a loser.. I dont know why nobody liked him.. I thought he was a great edition to the team.. he gave us size at the 2 and another dimension in the team... What's wrong with y'all hatin on the man ??
     
  18. Outlier

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    Man I don't even think you watch basketball if you think Derek was a great addition. I think you just look at the player and then judge him, lame. The guy is a major cancer and isn't doing anything great with the Heat.
     
  19. RocketsMac

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    Man I probably watch more basketball than anybody in this website... Derek Anderson was not a bad player.. I liked the fact that he has the size and the range to be our starting 2 (I think Wesley is great, but he is too short)... the Man didn't do anything wrong.. he even played good D and I remember some games where he had 4+ steals... I think JVG traded him because he didn't like his attitude and because Derek wanted more minutes.. and dont even talk about the heat, that team is loaded with talent and they have a 45+ minutes SG in Wade.. dont expect DA to contribute a lot...
     
  20. Outlier

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    The guy was a black hole on offense, a Steve Francis on offense, you always see him chucking up shots with Yao Ming going "What the F...". He would have never improved if DA played. Have you seen his flabby arms, even I have bigger arms than him. No work ethic.
     

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