Some News (and Hey Pee may be right afterall .....)

Can't be Washington, not if it involves Mobley. They already have Rip and Alexander.

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I think the #3 trade involves oeilpere's FAVORITE player, Walt Williams.

heypee, a couple of things

remember a trade involving non sign and trade guys could go down, be announced informally as a deal that will go down August 1 that would be contingent on us being under the cap, similar to the Bender-Davis situation-like, Washington trades #1, Richmond and/or other contracts, etc. for #13, 18, KT, which would have us taking on extra salary, and would, I believe, be legal, but can't go down to August 1.

we also have that Drew trade exception of ~1.2 mill, that could be helpful on draft day.

opie-I personally think Kwame Brown is pure 4. He's a CWebb clone IMO, and like CWebb, won't respond well at center. That leaves Diop, Curry, and Woods as top 5 types. If I knew we were out of the CWebb race, I'd most certainly take on a Richmond like contract if we're out of te CWebb race for Curry every day of the week.

Diop or Woods, maybe not as much so. I'd rather have Eddie Griffin or Battier of those two. I wouldn't take either top 4, but would consider it at around 6.

As long as we save 6 mill for Mo and/or a similar PF. Achebe's old projections have us with ~17 mill with everyone but Mooch renounced, and that includes 13 and 18. So that leaves around 10 mill to play with.

I'd be ecstatic if it were 13, 18, Walt or Cato, KT for #1 (Curry), Richmond and Etan Thomas. Curry measured out at 6'11'' 3/4. He's one big bad center, and anyone who's seen him play (McD's) he's going to make an impact. If it weren't for Battier, I'd say he's my pick for ROTY. Like opie, I also wouldn't mind if Jahidi White was part of the albatross they gave us.

Curry/Collier
Mo/Etan
Langhi/#23 (Morris)
Mobley/Richmond
Francis/Mooch

and Cato or Walt

Any core of Francis, Mobley, Curry would be VERY good.

Does this #3 deal tie into our attempt to move up? Or do we have two seperate deals? The one you can't say, and the 2nd one where we're attempting to get into the top 5.
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My personal opinion on guys I'd trade our draft plus other things for (like KT, etc.)

Curry-Anything outside of Steve and Cat, and gutting our future of picks as well
Brown-only if Mo is looking to leave, and CWebb is coming. If that's the case, 100% definite.
Griffin-Not as much so. I'd be careful on how much I'd give. Certainly, 13, 18, 23, but after that...
Battier-13, 18, 23, and KT
Diop-Very tentative. Has he worked out anywhere? He seems to have had many injuries for an 18 year old.
Chandler-DANGER!! BUST!!!

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"I think alot of people find Cato's game to be very offensive." -aelliott, comparing the offensive skills of Kelvin Cato and Michael Olowokandi

 

Double post.

[This message has been edited by GATER (edited June 22, 2001).]

 

NIKE, I don't really have the answer. I think JJ scenario is likely legal. My main point is to say that the Bender/Davis deal was an extremely simple one-for-one. I don't think that is what we are talking about, especially if this is all contigent on making another team pick a player for us who they wouldn't otherwise pick...and vice versa.

Plus, are you saying that Toronto wasn't under the cap on draft day, yet. I read the NBA Daily quote I copied to mean that Davis was a BYC, and they couldn't calculate his trade value, yet (ie, was it 50% of previous or league average, whichever is greater). However, the quote tails off into an ellipse, so ....

 

partner-I *think* Toronto was in the similar position to us-over the cap when you consider their contracts, but under the cap after a few renouncings.

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"I think alot of people find Cato's game to be very offensive." -aelliott, comparing the offensive skills of Kelvin Cato and Michael Olowokandi

 

Here's an ABCD camp report last July from Brick Oettinger

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/college/recruiting/news/2000/07/08/brick_saturday/

"Brown (Brunswick, Ga., No. 5 nationally in our summer rankings), who has committed to Florida, played pretty crummy Friday. He's frustrated because he's the big guy on his team, but he doesn't want to play center. Even though he's 6-foot-11, he plays closer to a small forward. So we know he can play better."

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[This message has been edited by Da Man (edited June 22, 2001).]

 

Oeilpere does CD like Curry more than Griffin?

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President of the Steve Francis, Jamal Crawford,Larry Hughes, and Charles Woodson fan club.

 

Exactly. It's probably Washington because it does NOT include Mobley.



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"We're having a pretty good time considering one day we're all going to die." Steve Martin, 1976

 

Pops,
You gave us this "pecking order" a few weeks ago. Is it still fairly accurate? (I have edited out your comments).

1. Curry
2. Griffin
3. Chandler
4a. Kwame Brown
4b. Battier
6a. Diop
6b. Haywood
8. Richardson
9a. Bradley
9b. Randolph
11a.Woods
11b. Jefferson
13a. Joe Johnson
13b. Gasol
15. Wallace
16a.Collins
16b. Murphy
18. Prince
19a. Forte
19b Cook
21. K Johnson

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GATER

 

The only players that I think would be costly for us to lose (not counting the ones we expect to lose) would be Moochie/KT/Langhi/Collier. I agree with everyone else that Francis & Mobley are untouchable (sort of). As HP has been saying, you won't be able to trade any players that aren't currently under contract on draft day. So, that eliminates Moochie/Langhi.

I've got a question for those that are in the know. On draft day, which year's salaries are being used? Since the new salary cap numbers won't be released until July 18, it would make sense that last year's salaries would apply to draft day trades of currently signed players. Could someone clear this up for me, please?

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"very costly"

hmmmm.. Having to buy out Mitch Richmonds contract (as a condition of a deal with Washington) would be very costly.

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That's what it sounds like to me too. But couldn't Richmond play some three? Has something happened to Mitch that would foreclose his playing? I've not followed him at all this year. I know he only played about 30 games.



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"We're having a pretty good time considering one day we're all going to die." Steve Martin, 1976

 

At 6'5", he would be a small 3 and at a total of $20 million over the next two years, very expensive. I'm not clear what the buy out figure is for him, but I would guess its 10 million.

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Just a note: If we move up into the top 4 and select Loren Woods, I will cease being a Rockets fan.

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Well, that would be "costly" in two ways, wouldn't it?

While he is small for the three spot, we have been playing Cat some there, and Anderson, who is only slightly larger. We could still have Morris, Langhi and Bull to play some three. If he's healthy, he can still play effective offense, and he gets a decent number of steals. I'll take him over Anderson or Williams at the small forward spot any day.

He would give some insurance at the two, and could play some minutes there as needed.

I'm not sure what good buying him out would do. What good would that do the Rockets?



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"We're having a pretty good time considering one day we're all going to die." Steve Martin, 1976

 

HEHE. At # 4 Curry and Brown will be gone so my only guess would be Griffin, Chandler, or Diop.



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President of the Steve Francis, Jamal Crawford,Larry Hughes, and Charles Woodson fan club.

 

Originally posted by PinetreeFM60:
"I'm not sure what good buying him out would do. What good would that do the Rockets?"
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He has 2 years remaining on his contract at $10 million per year (total $20 million)

Let's say his buy out is $10 million.

By buying him out for $10 million, you save yourself the $10 million that was owed to him in the second year. Thus $10 million in cap room the second year.

However, the downside is when you buy him out, he is free to walk and sign with another team immediately (i.e. Rod Strickland). Therefore, the player is no longer on your roster, but his $10 million salary is on your books for that year.

The above may not be clear, therefore if someone else can do a better job in explaining this, please do so. (However, Buying Richmond out of his contract is pure speculation)


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Buyouts are spread over the life of the contract. So assuming the 20 million contract has a 10 mill buyout, it's 5 mill this year, 5 year next, saving you an important 5 mill.

I see something like 13+18, and KT for 1 (Curry), Richmond, and Nesby (~3 mill) or Vaught (~5.5 mill). It couldn't become official

with Etan Thomas or Jahidi White possible. It'd make Mo a tight fit, but a fit nonetheless cap wise.

Since Clutch hasn't heard anything on Cato, and ANYTHING on Cato IMO would spread quickly, that makes #3 Walt...Walt for Horry via S/T completing a possible lineup of Curry-Taylor-Horry-Mobley-Francis, with Mooch, Langhi, Cato, Collier, #23, plus any extras left from the Wizards deal and Bull off the bench?

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"I think alot of people find Cato's game to be very offensive." -aelliott, comparing the offensive skills of Kelvin Cato and Michael Olowokandi

 

NIKEstrad

Thanks for the clarity on Buy Outs.

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