I love the international flavor of this thread. Things like this make CC.net great. It's funny too, light-hearted of course. Hey Boville and McArron, do y'all know of Radmanovic? How is he compared to Gasol? ------------------ "It's like when my mom told me that when you're in the bathroom, don't look left or right, look straight down. That's why I don't mess with anyone's business; I just try not to piss on myself." -Edgerrin James on his philosohpy of life
Well, Radmanovic is a good player, he has a good chance to have a solid NBA career like Turkoglu for example; he can do a lot of things, also needs to improve his game, especially shooting and ballhandling. He play in yugoslavian league that is not as strong as spanish. I read several times in this board that yugoslavian league is better than spanish. That's wrong; the top three leagues in Europe are spanish, greek and italian. Others are less stronger, the top european players and better americans in Europe play in these leagues. Of course there are young talents from Yugoslavia, Lithuania, etc. that play in his own leagues. But until they show that they are good players, then they go to the European top leagues (where they got more money), or if they are good enough to NBA. Comparing to Gasol is difficult, because they are diferent type of player. I think that Radmanovic will be a solid player in NBA, but Gasol has the potential to be all-star. You know, players like Radmanovic are one or two every year, but like Gasol... perhaps one every ten years. To Boville: Hola paisano, que tal. Yo tambien creo que Gasol tiene posibilidades de estar entre los diez primeros, aunque es dificil porque los equipos que eligen en esas posiciones no son de los que suelen confiar en jugadores europeos. Yo he apostado mil durillos a que lo elige Cleveland el 8, pero es una apuesta, ya veremos. Del Madrid-Barca deciamos lo mismo hace doce meses, pero al nivel que esta Gasol ahora puede ser desequilibrante. La unica oportunidad del Madrid es que Djordevic sea el de hace tres temporadas (y no tiene pinta)
McArron, I stand corrected. I thought Radman's recent controversial move to a new team was into the Greece leagues with Bodiroga, like Pedrag did. Sorry if I insulted Spain. I always remembered those team being dominated by USA players and Greece dominated by Yugo players. I have a hard time believing the first young star Spanish player is a sure thing as much as another Yugo player could be.
heypartner; I don't feel insulted nor Spain at all; perhaps my poor english made you think so. There's a lot of good yogoslavian players, they are the best in Europe, and that's the reason the best national team in Europa are Yugoslavia, but Spain and Italy also have good teams. But I was speaking of national leagues, in spanish league play several good yugaslavian players and that's one of the reason that it's a srong league, and also a lot of good american players plays here. I think the best league in Europe (based in quality players) are greek league (but I don't like greek teams, they play too slow...), then spanish and italian. I was speaking of that because Radmanovic plays in a league less stronger than Gasol; I would be really stupid if I doubt of the quality of yugoslavian players. Hey, congratulations for your post 6000!!
Hey McArron, what American players are playing in the Spanish League now? ------------------ Time is a great teacher-- only problem is it kills all its pupils.
McArron, where would you draft Gasol? Also, you said you've been trying to figure out where Gasol is going to be drafted, have you found out any new information we should be aware of? ------------------ humble, but hungry.
Well, I don't know very much about college basketball, but I think Gasol is better right now than any of the player I've seen including Battier (who seems to be a top 5 pick) and Richardson; and also Gasol has more potential to develop. I never have seen any of the HS players so I think I'd pick him in the top 3. In the 4th match of NBA finals comentators said that they have known that there are 90% of posibilities that Gasol stay in the draft, so he'd be pretty sure that he could be a top 10 pick. I think Cleveland could be the team. I bet some money with friends that Cleveland will pick him, but who knows... This year have played in Spain Lou Roe, A.J. Bramlett, Ademola Okulaja (I'm not sure he's american), Deon Thomas, Derrick Alston, Victor Alexander, David Wood, Shawn Vandiver, Chris Corchiani, Anthony Bonner... (I think these are probably the most known in America). Also has played here a few games Ronnie Seikaly. Other years have been played in Spain better american players: Mark Jackson, Darrell Armstrong, Darvin Ham, Ed O'Bannon, Anthony Goldwire, Tony Massenburg. A lot of years ago played here Bobby Phils, Kenny (Sky)Walker and George Gervin There are also non-american players that you probably know: Jiri(George) Zidek, Marco Milic, Frederic Weis, Francisco Elson... Also in the past have played in Spain very good players who later went to NBA: Drazen Petrovic and Arvydas Sabonis.
McArron: David Wood (the same, I guess?) played for the Rockets 6 or 8 years ago--- somewhere in that vicinity. Most of those guys on current rosters are failed NBA players. Are these Americans scrubs or are they major contributors? League stars? After learning this, are you still so high on Gasol? What do you guys think? ------------------ Time is a great teacher-- only problem is it kills all its pupils. [This message has been edited by RichRocket (edited June 15, 2001).]
Okalaja played college in the US (UNC). No offense to the Europeans in this thread, but I really do think Radman is a Mirsad Turckan waitning to happen and that Gasol is nothing more then a role player. For every Peja and Dirk, there is a Dragon Turlac, Fredrick Weis, and so on. I think drafting a 20 yr old foreign player is kinda like drafting a highschool player- you really don't know what he's gonna do and you can only judge him by what he's done vs lesser competition. ------------------ The fun just never ends for them! Jump on the Wizards banwagon and be the only one with season tickets:http://www.washingtonwizards.com/
Super, For one, the players you mentioned(weiss, Tarlac) were not supposed to be great and played different positions than Peja and Dirk. It's also unfair to compare Vlad to Mirsad because Mirsad only did well in a private workout for the Rockets I believe, I could be wrong, whereas Radmanovic has done well at the chicago predraft camp and in other individual workouts. In other words, he's a safer bet than you may think. As far as Gasol goes, I haven't seem any of him but I am skeptical of him. For one, he comes from a well off family(he dropped out of medical school to play basketball) so I don't know about his work ethic. I bet that his agent is already building his ego up by the second as he has proclaimed that Gasol, if he stays in Europe another year, woule be an automatic top 5 pick next year. Is he wrong? Probably not, but putting false confidence in a guy like Gasol could hurt the guy in the long run. He might find out he's not as good as he thought he was when he gets in the league. There's just something about guys like Rad that's appealing to me. For one, he's worked for everything he's gotten in life(he had to be airlifted out of his country during a war when he was 11) and I feel he'll work hard to do whatever Rudy asks of him. Also, he's more of a point forward, and I'm really high on point forwards. I'm not saying that it's a fact that Gasol would develop/or already has poor work ethic, but it's just something to keep in mind. Background is something the Rockets look at. ------------------ [This message has been edited by tacoma park legend (edited June 16, 2001).]
TO RICHROCKET: Gasol is clearly better player than any american player in Spain, his work ethic is very high, he only thinks in improve and improve, I reepeat, he is very special. In first spanish´s finals game gasol didn´t a great game for him., but he scores 12 pts, grabs 11 rebunds and made 4 blockshots in 26 minutes, next game he will do better, sure. (incredible see when he dribbles opposite SG, beauty!!) I must travel to Madrid tomorrow, but I hope Mcarron post future gasol´s statistics here, (or I if I can) C ya friends!! ------------------ VOX VERITATIS NON TACET
match´s pictures with comments about game (in spanish) for see next picture pick "siguiente" http://baloncesto.as/2000-01/acb/pelicula/pelicula.htm ------------------ VOX VERITATIS NON TACET
Hey Boville, when you say "dribbles opposite SG" do you mean Gasol crosses over on a guard or something? I'm not trying to be funny or anything, I'm just not sure what your saying. I think you mean crossover, and if that is true, then wow, Gasol really would be something special (doing that plus his shooting and all that other good stuff and being 7'1"). ------------------ "It's like when my mom told me that when you're in the bathroom, don't look left or right, look straight down. That's why I don't mess with anyone's business; I just try not to piss on myself." -Edgerrin James on his philosohpy of life
Yes RichRocket, the same David Wood; and of course I know NBA stars are only in NBA, (if these guys would be better or have big bodies, or... they would be playing in NBA, all we know this) all these guys are good players, not stars. Well, Lou Roe has been declared MVP this year, but he play in one of the worst teams where he is the only good player and he has to do all the things. David Wood for example is a team player averaging about 6-7 ppg and 4 rpg Absolutely. Of course i could be wrong, but Gasol seems to be trully a star. He gives the sensation that in the past gave Petrovic, Sabonis, Divac. And his combination of size and skills is unique. By the way, the coach of Madrid (the team that plays the finals with Barcelona) has stated that Gasol is the most decisive player in Europe since Drazen Petrovic For sure he is a hard-worker. If not, he couldn't improve his game as he do. A year ago he played about 5 minutes per game, now he is the team leader. I disagree, he is playing pro basketball in one of the top three leagues outside NBA, not playing against kids. That's a big diference Well, that's enough, I feel like if I were his agent and surely I'm not. Time will tell
Well, as boville can't post this, I do Barcelona wins his second match in ACB Finals, now they lead 2-0 (In best of 5). Now Barcelona is 8-0 in playoffs Gasol played well; 17 points, 6 rebounds, 4 blockshots (record in playoffs games in spanish league) He made 4/6 (2 pt.) 3/4 (3 pt.) 3/6 (1 pt.) As usual he was the team leader. making two three-pointer in a row to make his team take a 10 point lead in third quarter, and handling the ball in the final minutes when Madrd made a full court press.
How many minutes did he play to put up those numbers, McArron? ------------------ CC.NET Sim League Web Page My Team (Sonics) Feeling claustrophobic, like the walls are closing in. Blood stains on my hands, and I don't know where I've been. I'm in trouble for the things I haven't got to yet. I'm chomping at the bit, and my palms are getting wet. Sweating Bullets Runnin', Ravin', Endin', Out.
He played a lot of time: 35 minutes. More information of the match: http://www.liga-acb.es/acb/final2001/partido2.htm (For oficial stats click "Ficha tecnica")
TLC, You sure about Rad's point forward abilities? Clutch's analysis of his game did not give that impression listing ball handling and passing as his weaknesses. Have you seen him play or heard something about his game? I like the idea of the Rocks getting a point forward too, which is why I'm hoping the Rockets trade up for Joe Johnson... ------------------ [This message has been edited by oakdogg (edited June 18, 2001).]
oak, I consider Nowitzki and Turkoglu point forwards. You don't neccesarily have to be a great passer to be a point forward. The reason I'm high on them is because the Rockets need that 3rd guy to initiate the fastbreak. Shandon Anderson doesn't fill this role, and our big men are horrible outletters aside from Kenny and Dream(gone). I just assume he has point forward skills because Europeans commenly have more fundamental skills than Americans. Also, CD compared him to Nowitzki. Gasol was a guard for a long time though, so his dribbling skills could be as good or better than Rad's. That would be amazing having 4 players on the court who could bring up the ball(Mooch, Steve, Cat, Gasol). ------------------
More information of the match: http://www.liga-acb.es/acb/final2001/partido2.htm Is this guy ( playing for Madrid)the same Erik Meek drafted in the second round in 1995 by the Rockets ? ------------------ Go Rockets Go!
