Up until a few decades ago Korea was a colony subject to segregation, mass kidnappings, mass rape, and mass murder. I don't think you can quantify having more racism anymore than you can quantify your crap smelling any better/worse than anyone else's. There is racism in every country of the world, and in each one its equally even in its spread of injustice, pain, and destruction. As far as the thread goes, I appreciate that Korea has gotten some attention, however, I wish it was pertaining to a topic a bit more complimenting.
Well lets not overexaggerate, nor should we blame them for those who held Korea, before they were a democracy. Its was much longer then a few decades ago. Not like ummm lets say the 60's. And last I checked Korea wasnt known for lynching people of different color, or disallowing basic human rights to people of different color a few decades ago. Show me the segregation laws passed by SOUTH Korea, maybe I will be informed. Not only that. The point is that "mass rape" is much more abundant in the USA. Mass Murder too. And Im going to go out on a limb and assume racism also. The point is you can so much easier point this finger at ourselves.
man all the koreans in my high school hang out in a bunch and act like they own the world, and here in UMD, they speak korean in front of everyone else, how rude! fierce nationalism lead japan to WWII, and it looks like korea is going down the same path.
Interesting thread. Discrimination towards mixed race children isn't just in Korea but throughout many parts of Asia. Japanese mixed race children are also discriminated in Japan and I've heard that mixed race children of GI's were heavily discriminated against in Vietnam. Unfortunately many Asian cultures and people tend to biased and biggoted regarding other peoples and countries. Bought into American stereotypes and consider blacks and Hispanics inferior but also resent whites too. Also there's a lot of cross Asian bigotry too with Koreans, Chinese and other Asians mistrustful of Japanese and vice versa and those groups in turn look down upon Thais, Vietnamese, Malays and at the bottom Philipinos. For instance in Singapore and Hong Kong there have been problems regarding discriminatory behavior towards Philipino and Thai maids.
A little hard on Big Texxx don't you think. I don't know whether he was trying to race bait but I don't think this was a pointless thread. A lot of interesting comments have come up here. Along with some hot pics of interracial women. How can that be pointless?
It's another of those, "Other people do it, so America can too" threads. It's the typical ultra-conservative mindset that brought you the defense of our use of torture and the brushing off of collateral damage.
Well, geez, Korean occupation ended in 1945, just 15 years before 1960. Not really "much longer" than you say. Also, in my post, I referred to events that Koreans were SUBJECT to. Koreans haven't been known for lynching people of different color, but they have been kidnapped, raped, and murdered because of their ethnicity. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/1957124.stm "Japan colonised the Korean Peninsula between 1910 and 1945, forcing hundreds of thousands of Koreans into slave labour and prostitution." http://www.google.com/search?hs=2kX...l&q=thousands+of+koreans+murdered&btnG=Search "....the forced labor toll for Korea comes to 270,000 to 810,000 dead in seven years." As far as mass rape, I don't even want to look it up. Just Google "Comfort Women" I understand this doesn't pertain to racism in South Korea today, but neither does any comment about racial discrimination in the U.S. in the 60s. SirSir Chang is correct about mixed-race children being discriminated in many areas of East Asia. He is also right, sadly, about bigotry by some Asians against Vietnamese, Malays, Thais, Philipinos, ect...
My intent was not as you claim when I started this thread. You seem to have subscribed to the SamFisher school of thought on bigtexxx thread ulterior motives.
Yeah, I have to admit that SOME Koreans tend to be really cliquish and stick to their own kind. SOME Koreans think they are superior to every other race, which I think has to do with what tierre_brown has said about the constant subjugation of Korea by both the Chinese and Japanese... Anyway, Xenochimera, what race are you? You are stereotyping all Koreans as acting in a certain way, but I can assure you that not all Koreans act in the manner you say. Yes, every race has their nationalists; for example, how about all the Mexican-Americans and Hispanics waving the Mexican flag in defiance of America's immigration laws? How about White American's that stick to their own kind and exclude other races from being accepted? As a Korean, I can say that people that act like their so superior to everybody really annoy the hell out of me! So, Xenochimera, your comments were really offensive and I hope you apologize for your remarks. Don't generalize a certain race or group of people according to your prejudices and stereotypes.
Bigtexx, I personally don't believe you started this thread with having some kind of motive that SamFisher claims. You bring up some interesting points and I agree with some of what you are trying to say; there are many parts of the world that could learn a great deal from America's and Canada's tolerance of different religions and ethnicities, but you have to remember that there never was a Martin Luther King like figure in places like Korea and other non-Western countries. I believe one of the main reasons why racism exists in many non-Western countries is because of the homogenous populations of these countries. Many people in the world have never been in contact with different races and ethnicities of other countries unlike..., say a Canada or United States where one could meet someone from anyplace of the world. At the same time, though, many Western countries have had a more bloody history of racism than many non-Western countries. So in a way, it cuts both ways.
Well it came across as meaning that SOUTH Koreans were responsible for those atrocities, being that BigTess was speaking on SOUTH Koreans. So Ill restate, that S Koreans are not nearly as responsible for such atrocities as we are ourselves.
I didn't mean to mislead you into thinking that those acts were committed by South Koreans. I did clearly write that it was the Koreans who were subject to such discrimination. I quoted your response in which you said there was more racism in America and you cited racist lynchings, segregation. I merely responded to that remark in kind with a history of recent racial attrocities in South Korea, though not necessarily by South Koreans.
I'm Vietnamese and there is definite racist tendencies against other nationalities including other Asian cultures. That would be especially for the Japanese too because there are still ill-feelings harbored from WWII, which were felt by many countries in that region during that time (China, Korea, etc). My wife is Chinese and even though I consider them the closest in culture to Vietnamese culture, I still felt slight disapproval from my dad. It's all good now but at the time I knew they definitely wanted me to marry within. In high school I played basketball with a bunch of Vietnamese friends. One of them happened to be half-black/vietnamese. We ragged on him a lot even though he spoke Vietnamese a hell lot better than I did. All in fun but you knew there was something to it. And one of my wife's ex-coworkers was a Japanese lady who had a white husband. We met at a party once and later she commented to my wife that I was good looking... for an Asian man. What a half-assed comment. But there you go. Lots of inter-Asian drama.
i am not generalizing the whole race, i did not say all koreans act haughty, just a lot of them in my high school, and the some that i meet in my college. as for the nationalist comment? its just that i see a bit of similarity between japan's rise to power before world war 2 and how south korea is currently becoming a power. korea's modernization is nothing short of amazing, but at the same time theres a lot of nationalist feelings, which i must say is in china right now also. and korea i m sure feels that japan owes her, which is the source of the nationalist feelings. i am chinese and i would never speak chinese infront of people who do not understand it. for example, in a class, we are having a discussion as a group, and 2 or 3 people starts to speak in korean and the rest of us do not understand it, yet the koreans are fluent in english, that would be rude. it is not my intention to offend anyone, just to express what i have observed.
It's interesting to see how sexism and racism come together and sort of feed off of eachother. Both here on the forum and in Korea, the US and whereever. Some forumites are obviously more sexist than racist though "interracial chicks...". Don't be racist or sexist! This topic isn't as bad as some say. Is racism a bigger problem in race homogenous parts of the world? Probably so. The more we socialize over racial borders the more we realize how stupid the very idea of race is. The fact that racism is common in all parts of the world doesn't make it right or good. Just makes us more stupid.
There is alot of those kind of koreans in schools now days. Me, being korean, korean ppl never realy wanted to hang out with me since i love basketball, i hated soccer, i speak english better than korean, most of my friends were black, and etc. They are pretty annoying, they think they own the school and could do ANY SINGLE THING, so they do r****ded things like pantsing everyone. One thing i notice is if a korean is grown up in a school that has no other korean ppl, they have no sign of racism in them. Another reason korean hang out with other korean could be their parents. My parents weren't in debt like the other korean ppl. we are pretty wealthy. Since my dad was a buisness man, he knew whtie ppl are alot more succesful than korean ppl (buisness wise) so he told me to hang out with white ppl when i was young. in college my roomate was korean too so we had this kind of talk once in a while. he used to be one of those korean ppl that just hang around with other korean ppl. he said one reason was that his parents wwere in debt and they hanged around with korean ppl only. back to the topic about racism korean ppl are racist about marriage. not all of them, but most. They have it in them. They think their not going to be racist about marriage but they are. Even the kindest korean is going to marry another korean. they just have it in them. can u guys imagine if mexico just start raping and killing and kidnapping ppl in texas for like 5 years or so? then 40 years later... are you just going to forget about it? of couse not. this is why korean ppl are racist to japan. even now days, japan is trying to get more attention away from korea to them by saying kimchee (a popular korean food) was from them. and the island besides korea is theirs. This just makes the korean ppl more angrier and angrier.
My wife is Korean. I am going to the Korean church for Easter. What I talk about is only my experience and in no way supposed to represent all Koreans. In LA especially it seems there are a lot of Koreans that came over here in the 60's or 70's. They live in a Korean community and choose primarily to associate with other Koreans, and patronize Korean businesses. I think it is comforting to them. There are other Koreans that have not stayed so insolated. Nearly all the Koreans I know go back to Korea from time to time. Apparently Korea has evolved further towards easing racism than some of the communities that in essence recreating Korea in the 60's. They are often shocked at the changes in Korea when they return. Other Koreans that live a more 'Americanized' lifestyle often speak of the U.S. Koreans that live in Korea town, or other insulated communities, as being more Korean than Koreans who live in Korea. My own mother-in-law wanted her daughters to be happy in marriage. She wasn't worried about race they would have married. She says that is a minority among Koreans, because many want their children to marry Koreans. My mother-in-law says that she believed her daughters would be happier married to Americans because they wouldn't have enjoyed the traditional duties and customs of Korean wives married to Korean men. She has admitted to me, that she wouldn't have been happy had her daughters married someone who was black. Another of her friends from church, who I am also close to has a daughter that is dating a non-Korean. The father is trying to understand, but was initially dead set against it. Actually seeing my wife and I, and her sister and her non-Korean husband has helped him. He sees that our wives our happy, that we go occasionally to the Korean church, eat Korean food, etc. and he is gradually warming up to the idea. I think there is just some ignorance that comes from lack of exposure, and different customs, and priorities within a community that makes it difficult for some to accept.
