Talk about splitting hairs. If this has nothing to do with Islam - like the cartoon riots have nothing to do with Islam - like genital mutilation has nothing to do with Islam - like suicide bombers have nothing to do with Islam...then how can gwayneco be anti-Islam? Or....
Hayes, I have wondered ifit is merely coincidence how Gwayneco started the daily Muslim outrage abut the time you stopped posting them so frequently.
Or.... they are not in the Qur'an and thus not condoned, but gwanye links them to Islam using terms like Islamist so he libels Islam. The fact is almost two billion people consider themselves Muslim. Each day you have one account of a Muslim doing something bad. 1/2,000,000,000 is not a drop in the bucket. Well, take it back 40 years and taking an extremely liberal count of one muslim messup per day and you get 14600/2,000,000,000. Still, not a drop in the bucket. Islam has a rich history and has played a crucial role in the development of the western powers. I am sick of people trying to bad mouth my religion by citing some wackjob's attempt in linking Islam to his actions to excuse the fact the person is a nut.
when do you know if a guy is anti[whatever]? if the news constantly reports about events then is it fair to say its anti-[this]? i remember when Arab groups protested that dumb Steve Segal movie where the hijackers were middle east people on a plane, I think Kirk Russell was the hero in that movie. well, historically, it has been middle east hijackers, so was it racists or realistic? anyone going to watch Hustle and Flow, if they had Turkish rappers? if you make a movie about people crossing the mexican border, are you going to use Chinese people? so if the news events are about incidents in the muslim world, does it mean its bad to post these events? i dont know if Gwayneco is racist (maybe maybe not) but its a strong allegation and its too hard to determine if he keeps posting factual events.
Azadre good post. when the **** has honor killings become part of Islam? You need to try to learn to distinguish between Muslims and Islam. Plus, how the **** do you find out that "Muslim families" cheered the killing?! Do they state outside their houses that “hey we are celebrating the killing of this woman, join us”? It's all bullsh*t! It's just news worthy to state sh*T like that. There may have been a couple of idiots who stated otherwise, but the majority would never condone such crude behavior. It’s infuriating to see you guys trying to link the two. Religion and cultural norms are two different things, even though culture is built around the religion.
this world is a nasty place, get used to it or do something instead of posting on this board and sitting on your rear end to change it....if not, stop complaining
buddy it's you who does most of the complaining as well as most of the posting. 30 a friggin day? Is that the record for clutchfans?
i dont complain...i just deal with the facts....should i apologize for actually participating instead most of the memebers that have signed up recently that dont even participate there's lots of horrible violence all over the world, but we just seem to focus on one group or religion in this forum and i'm not averaging 30 posts a day, i'm averaging 28.95 posts per day again, only the facts
The term "arranged" in arranged marriage is misleading. Although some people truly arrange weddings without their children's full consent, this is a cultural practice, not a religious one. Basically, the purpose of arranged marriages is to bring together two families. From the Islamic perspective, a marriage is not just the bringing together of two people, but their families as well (although in some circumstances, this may not be possible). The man and woman both have guardians that oversee the marriage contract. These guardians are usually the parents, but sometimes it may be someone else of good judgment. They must give their consent to the marriage, but the final decision is to be made by the couple.
It's quite simple, this is a cultural practice. Read the following to understand Islam's view of honor killings. http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...h-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543392 Title of Fatwa Honor Killing from an Islamic Perspective Date of Reply 17/Jun/2002 Topic Of Fatwa Retaliation (Qisas), Customs & Traditions Question of Fatwa Respected scholars, As-Salamu `Alaykum wa Rahmatu Allah wa Barakatuh. What does Islam say about honor killings? Does Islam really have a concept of honor killings, most of the victims here are females; so does Islam really order to kill females in the name of honor? Name of Mufti Islam Online Fatwa Editing Desk Content of Reply Wa`alykum As-Salaamu Warahmatullahi Wabarakaatuh. In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger. Dear sister in Islam, we do really appreciate your question, which shows how far you are interested in getting yourself well-acquainted with the sound teachings of Islam. May Allah bless your efforts in pursuit of knowledge and may He keep us all firm in the straight path! Sister, it’s a well-known fact that Islam maintains the protection of life and does not sanction any violation against it. In the Glorious Qur’an, Allah, Most High, says, “Whoso slayeth a believer of set purpose, his reward is Hell for ever. Allah is wroth against him and He hath cursed him and prepared for him an awful doom.” (An-Nisa’: 93) `Abdullah ibn Mas`ud, may Allah be pleased with him, reported that the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, "The blood of a Muslim may not be legally spilt other than in one of three [instances]: the married person who commits adultery; a life for a life; and one who forsakes his religion and abandons the community." (Reported by Al-Bukhari and Muslim) Focusing more on your question, Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and an Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, states: “There is no such concept in Islam that is called “honor killing”. Islam holds every soul in high esteem and does not allow any transgression upon it. It does not allow people to take the law in their own hands and administer justice, because doing so will be leading to chaos and lawlessness. Therefore, based on this, Islam does not permit such killings. First of all, in order to sanction killing, it must be through a binding verdict issued by an authoritative law court. Individuals themselves have no authority either to judge cases or pass judgments. Therefore, a Muslim should not sanction such killing because doing so will be leading to the rule of the law of the jungle. A civilized society cannot be run by such laws.” Shedding more light on it, Sheikh `Atiyyah Saqr, former head of Al-Azhar Fatwa Committee, states: “Like all other religions, Islam strictly prohibits murder and killing without legal justification. Allah, Most High, says, “Whoso slayeth a believer of set purpose, his reward is Hell for ever. Allah is wroth against him and He hath cursed him and prepared for him an awful doom.” (An-Nisa’: 93) The so-called “honor killing” is based on ignorance and disregard of morals and laws, which cannot be abolished except by disciplinary punishments. It goes without saying that people are not entitled to take the law in their own hands, for it’s the responsibility of the Muslim State and its concerned bodies to maintain peace, security, etc., and to prevent chaos and disorder from creeping into the Muslim society.” Moreover, the eminent Muslim scholar, Sheikh Muhammad Al-Hanooti, member of the North American Fiqh Council, adds: “In Islam, there is no place for unjustifiable killing. Even in case of capital punishment, only the government can apply the law through the judicial procedures. No one has the authority to execute the law other than the officers who are in charge. Honor killing could be a wrong cultural tradition. It is unjust and inhumane action. The murderer of that type deserves punishment.” Sister, if you are still in need of more information, don't hesitate to contact us. Do keep in touch. May Allah guide us all to the straight path! Allah Almighty knows best.
What would you suggest? At this point. . .we cannot police the world Seeing stuff like this makes me wonder how . . .. big the world is and how American cannot just force everyone to bow to our will Rocket River
It isn't splitting haris. It is two aspects a particular culture. One aspect is that people in the culture are muslim. The other is that they believe in honor killings. Two aspects, one culture.
People don't do stupid/mean stuff because of religion. They started out mean and stupid and try to justify their actions with religion. Lets face it, there are lot of mean stupid people out there and they would be mean and stupid without religion.
I can certainly respect that. By that same token, if being a person who strives to follow the teachings of Islam and who requests that Muslims be given the same respect as everyone, no more and no less, makes me a Jihadist, then you can call me "Jackfruit the Jihadist."
I beg to differ with you on this. First of all, I always openly denounce actions by insurgents and "Jihadists." That being said, all Muslims are not "Jihadists." By his threads, Gwayneco makes the argument that they are. Any time something is done that favors Muslims or respects their beliefs, it's a "Jihadist" victory. When Comedy Central refuses to show the Prophet in a cartoon, they did it to respect the beliefs of Muslims like myself. Last time I checked, Muqtada Al-Sadr was not watching Jon Stewart on Comedy Central. Yet, Gwayneco says that it is not a victory for law-abiding Muslims like me, but rather the "Jihadists." When Waldenbooks refused to sell a magazine with the Danish cartoons in it (another Gwayneco thread), it was supposedly a victory for the "Jihadists." Who was Waldenbooks doing that out of respect to, Al-Qaeda?? Assuming all Muslims are "Jihadists" is irresponsible and quite frankly, idiotic. All Muslims are not "Jihadists" just like all Germans are not Nazis and all Jews aren't Zionists. For what it's worth, if by your defintion a practicing Muslim is a Jihadist, then consider me the world's proudest Jihadist.
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