Andrea Bargnani

He's 7ft tall and they say he's 2 steps too slow to guard small forwards, how could he guard NBA two-guards? He's also too weak to guard power forwards, meaning he's a dreaded tweaner, though with some substantial skills. The problem with these Euro bigs is that they have skills they may be unable to use in the league. Dirk has an unbelievable first step and handles, to go along with 7-footer strength, which is almost impossible, so he can use his scoring ability as an advantage. The problem that the Tskitishvili kid had was that he played exactly like a two-guard but was just too big, while at the same time having no big-man skills to speak of.

This guy could be Nowitzki or Tskitishvili, or somewhere in between, just a total crapshoot. Even if he's Nowitzki, we're gonna be waiting at least 3 years for that to show up. Do we have that kind of time with our roster? There's more to lose from selecting him than to gain, in my opinion.

 

Why do you say definitely? A couple highlights vs Euros makes him a sure thing? You have to be real careful with those shooting Euro big men these days. More of them turn out to be Lampe than Gasol or Dirk.

I think if we sit at #10 we might still have a chance at Bargnani. Since Darko got drafted, the last few drafts all involved highly hyped Euros falling come draft day. Draft services like NBAdraft.net and the great Chad Ford always overhype some euro big before the draft, then they get passed over again and again. And teams were right to pass on those guys because they've done squat in the league so far.

 

ive seen people make ratio statements before as far as non-U.S. players are concerned. and there are just as many busts for ncaa players and H.S. players as any foreign player. you take a chance on just about all players in drafts.

but you guys are mostly right in saying we need some to contribute as soon as possible. and that probably isnt that guy.

 

Frankly, it's unfair to throw this label only on Euros. This happens with Americans, too. And for every euro bust, there is a euro/international star/good player (Drik, Yao, Peja, Ginobili, Nene).

Obviously, any team would be stupid to draft this guy based just off google videos.

I'm sure everybody has scouts closely following his, and others, performances.

That said, all we have to go on is stuff like these videos, and sports reporters opinions.

Got to take them with a grain of salt, but his highlight videos honestly were very impressive. Looks like he has pretty good athleticism for someone his size (it was hard to tell he was 7'0 he was moving so well), in addition to a good shot. Strength would be an issue, but it almost always is for people first entering the NBA. And he'd still only be 20 when drafted.

He looks decent, but who knows??

 

Never heard of the guy-- just watched the videos. Looks pretty good to me but I don't know the level of the competition.

I thought he showed great shooting form and he got his shot off quickly, too.

Don't get the Dirk comparisons, though, this guy was blocking shots...

 

We need role players, not new franchise guys. Anyone that likes this guy thinks he'll be another Dirk. We need that? I want pieces that fit around Yao/McGrady, not someone new to build around. Additionally, skinny 7-footers that can shoot but are questionable in the post aren't my cup of tea. I would far rather a dependable non-All-Star like Roy.

If this were another Ginobilli, I'd be all for it.

Evan

 

Did you just call Nene a star? I can agree with the other 4, also put Parker and Gasol into the star mix, but Nene?

Anyway, if you look at those international guys from 97' (Peja), to Yao (2002). There was a goldmine of underrated international talent in the draft. If you look at what happened after the Yao Ming pick in 2002, well you can argue that every single player picked has been a draft, Boris Diaw is like the only one to play above expectations. The international guys were good for 5 years, then the talent dried up.

So you can't say that there's a good player for every bust, there's too many busts. Remember Boki? Remember Jiri Welsch? How about Tskitishvili? Then again if you think Nene is a star you probably think these guys are talented role players.

There's been 2 booms in the draft in the last 10 years, the HS Boom, and the international boom. Both booms are pretty much over so now, one because the rules changed, the other because the talent dried up. Just think about the success of the HS boom and compare it to the international boom.

 

brandon roy is less risky.

 

I called him a good player. You quoted it, so I assume you read it??

 

I just have to ask, what exactly have you seen from him? Have you seen his games? He's playing 20 min a game so there's some footage there. Why do you say that he's not skinny? every profile says this guy needs to add bulk.

Pretty much every Euro 7 footer has a nice shot, this guy supposedly has guard like skills outside. But what about his weaknesses? Does he alter shots around the rim? Can he box out and get a reboud in traffic? Can he stop an NBA power forward from getting to the rim? Does he like contact?

You have to remember that we are not where Dallas was when it drafted Dirk, we are more where Detroit was when they drafted Darko. Our coach's personality is such that he would sit this guy down like Darko if he can't defend and rebound. We will be in the playoff hunt with Mcgrady back next year. We can't afford to give this guy 30 mins per game as a rookie to let him screw up and develop. The coach wouldn't stand for it, the other players wouldn't stand for it. If the young Dirk got drafted onto this team, he would spend most of his rookie contract sitting on the bench.

I hope for Bargnani's sake that he goes to the crappy teams in Toronto, Portland, and not to us. We don't need a repeat of the Darko experience. I wanted to give an example of the overrating of International big men, so I did some research from nbadraft.net, here's some Euros from recent drafts who were all touted as top 5 picks by this draft service.

Andrea Bargnani
http://nbadraft.net/profiles/andreabargnani.asp

Martynas Andriuskevicius
http://nbadraft.net/profiles/martynasandriuskevicius.asp

Nickoloz Tskitishvili
http://nbadraft.net/profiles/nickoloztskitishvili.htm

Darko Milicic
http://nbadraft.net/profiles/darkomilicic.htm

Maciej Lampe
http://nbadraft.net/profiles/maciejlampe.htm

As you can see, there's a couple of Nowitzki and Gasols thrown in there; Darko they said would be much better than either.

Here's another one of some guy they compared to Rik Smits

http://nbadraft.net/profiles/yaoming.htm

 

You called him a star, can you tell me your definition of a star? and I have another question , is Juwan Howard a star?

 

i'll take him.

 

If he can play defense and rebound at all the fact that he can shoot from the outside makes him a better pick for the Rockets than Noah. I think Aldridge is a much safer pick.

 

He should be top 5 pick without question.

But I dont think his game is fit for Rockets.

If he is still available at No.7/8,we should pick him up and later do a deal with other teams.

 

I think after wasting a pick on Turkcan and again on Nachbar instead of Tayshaun Prince - who IIRC the Rox were also high on and may have had hm next on their draft board - they're going to be leery of your Euro project guys.

 

Best thing about those vids is the resurrection of Da Brat's musical genius.

"Who's that making that funky noise???!?!?!"

 

No, I called him a good player. Either you are incapable of reading, or you don't understand what a / is used for.