More Than 500,000 Rally in L.A. for Immigrants' Rights

How do you "earn" money by sneaking into someone's house?

You're joking right?

 

Both are breaking and entering
what your do once you broke in . . is irrelevent

Would you be ok if someone broke into your house
didn't do any. . . heck . . they may have fixed the sink

I find it a challenge to American Sovereignty

As Stated. . . these folx don't give a rat's *ss about our borders/immagration laws

There are plenty people injail right now that were trying to do something good
but .. . they broke the law

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I heard Monica Crowley say today that Mexico vigilantly guards her southern border from Central American immigrants but is essentially willfully neglectful of her nothern border with the US. Of course, no Americans except a few fugitives from justice would be headed to Mexico. They have a harder time getting out of the US than getting into Mexico.

Anybody that can verify or amplify this?

 

BY THE WAY THE MS-13 IS A SALVADORIAN GANG! MEXICANS illegan and legal HATE SALVADORIANS!.... MS-13 is not mexican at all... so please dont even mention those salvadorians cuz i hate them to death... and im mexican!

 

Are we talking about enormous populations of "illegal" Italians and Irish? I'm sure many were illegal in those populations, too, but probably nowhere near the % of illegal Mexicans (just by default, given the fact that Mexico is along our southern border, but I don't have the numbers). I have no problem with people legally immigrating from their home countries and still having enormous pride in where they came from. They are saying we love our home country, but realize opportunity is better elsewhere, and therefor would love to immigrate to America.

Illegal immigrants are clearly running away from something that sucks. Again, why try and pretend like it is awesome?

Moreover, a disconnect still remains to me in the portesting. 500,000 people protested in LA. That's a crapload of people. And political change, while occuring quicker in America than Mexico, still takes a long time. My point? Again, why aren't these same numbers of people "working" to make the country they are so prideful in better...as oppossed to only "coming out of the woodwork" to protest an American immigration law.

I'm not arguing that the laws as proposed made sense, or that there shouldn't be some kind of protesting.

I am arguing that it makes absolutely no sense to not work even harder to change the conditions in your home land...and it really doesn't seem like that is happening at all, and certainly nowhere near the numbers we saw the last week.

I don't see how the problem of illegal immigration gets significantly better without Mexico becoming less of a third-world country. Beyond that, I'm a humanitarian as much as the next guy and would love to see Mexicans and other illegal immigrants make better lives for themselves. The solution that makes the world a much better place, to me, is a better Mexico. Shouldn't that be a top priority, even realizing that getting from here to there may be a multi-decade process?

 

Yeah, I'm sure Monica Crowley and all her talking-head glory has the lowdown on Mexican border security. I'm sure she has patrolled coahuila and chihuahua and hacked through the jungles of Chiapas.

If I had to venture a guess, I would guess that the fact that she is distorting, no doubt fed this by some jackass PA from Fox News or wherever she works now - is that the Mexican army has a significant presence in Chiapas, it's southern border region, which is due to the presence of Zapatista rebels there. Of course, this fact need not be mentioned when you're a conservative parrot looking to put the blame on somebody else, preferably somebody brown.

 

There's your prejudicial piggishness protruding through again.

She made a brief summary comment about it. I'm so pleased that you give anyone that you disagree with the benefit of the doubt about anything.

How is she shifting blame? We have illegal (emphasis illegal) aliens streaming into this country in estimated record numbers... and they just keep coming.

Doesn't Mexico have some responsibility to keep their population under some kind of control?

BTW, isn't Monica an attorney-- just like you?

 

And here's you, picking another fight by embarking on a tangent. Do some homework and address the point I raised. I might even be wrong. That would make you more qualified than some talking head nincompoop that you saw on the TV to answer the question you asked. I'll help you: www.google.com. Otherwise, pick a fight with somebody else, I'm not bothering with this game. Now, get in the last word, act all huffy about my rudeness, and cry in your e-beer.

 

Who's picking the fight here, Sam?

I made a small mention of something I never heard discussed before. I closed my remark with this: "Anybody that can verify or amplify this?"

... and all you want to do is upbraid both her and me, followed by choking self-righteousness about my criticism of your ham-handedness.

Chill out. Get drunk. Get laid... just get over yourself.

 

Mexico on paper has all the ingredients for success. They have people who are very determined and institutions in place for good things to happen. At the end of the day, it's really up to the people in charge and will of the people to make it prosper.

The entire Latin America isn't too bad compared to Africa or SE Asia. It does look awful being in the sphere of the US though. Argentina used to be up there with many European countries in standard of living, but is now even behind Lithuania for GDP per capita. The other enigma is Haiti/Dominican Rep. Same island. One side is stable while the other side is a zoo.

 

Without getting into any of the rest of the post, or the discussion (*at the moment), I just wanted to say that the overwhelming majority of Italian and Irish immigrants came into this country legally, and most of them through Ellis Island, where they were poked and prodded, checked for disease, and so on, before being allowed to "step on shore."



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This doesn't make any sense. So because someone doesn't feel like waiting 10 years to get a legal immigration permit, they should have a different level of pride in their country?

I don't see why your statement <I>"They are saying we love our home country, but realize opportunity is better elsewhere, and therefor would love to immigrate to America."</I> applies any less to illegal immigrants. They just choose not to wait because they feel its important to have those additional opportunities immediately. Outside of that, why would their pride in country be fundamentally different?

 

are you trying to say mexicans carry diseases????

 

Because if they are here legally, then they have waited through the time required, etc. to make it here.

If they are here illegally, their home country is so bad, inherently they are having a lot more to run away from? You are really leaving something pretty horrible if you are willing to risk death (as some die in the immigration process) to make it away, no?

 

Its not that they arent willing to go through the legal immigration process. Its just that most know that they'll never get through it. Odds are they would be rejected by customs officials of the US. I'm sure if they knew that the US would give them residency, then of course they would go through that but we all know that's not a possibility.

 

Except the wait for Italian or other immigrants wasn't and isn't nearly the same. Immigrants from past generations didn't have nearly the limitations that we have now. If your choice is waiting your whole lifetime for legal entry or coming illegally, why wait? Irish immigrants and others were trying to escape famine and other hell in their own countries too, yet they are/were still proud to be Irish.

 

That's fine...my point is just that (a) you either shouldn't be as prideful in your home country thereafter - not your heritage, but the country itself, or (b) if you are, you shoudl do something to improve conditions there now that you've "made your escape"

 

There is still a disconnect to me. I have no problem with them being prideful in their heritage. I have serious problem with them being prideful in their country. Even moreso when they do nothing about improving the situation there and are only heard from when issues involving their continued illegal immigration arises.

 

well personally i think being prideful about any country is stupid since these are all social constructs which are just imbedded into minds via socialization and in reality absolutely meaningless but simply opium of the masses.

however in the US historically there has always been an acceptance of dual national id. hence you have irish americans and italian americans and german americans etc. and its always been accepted.

and most of the illegals who come here do send a lot of money back. hence in mexico city you can see the enormous success of those types of businesses.

 

Are you nuts??



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