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Time To find a Young Small Forward

Discussion in 'NBA Draft' started by TeXaSalsa, Dec 20, 2000.

  1. TeXaSalsa

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    Ladies and Gentlemen

    its official

    Walt williams SUCKS this season. he is hurting our team. now i like walt. he is a nice guy. and i want to actually KEEP him. but

    he needs to be benched. langhi needs to start and show us what he can do. sorry but i dont think he is the solution eitheeer....

    now then..... we need a new athletic 3.

    the canidates
    1.) terrence morris- my first pick. athletic. can shoot. can finish. can play when motivated. often looks bored. needs to play w/ more fire.

    2.) vincent yarbrough- super leaper. he is an awesome athlete. plays good D. nice stroke. good all around player. real young.
    is a bit small for the 3 at 6'7.

    3.) gerald wallace- 6'7 is small but his game is bigger than his height. he is another superb athlete. dont know alot about him.

    4.) eddie griffin- can this guy play SF? i know he is usually PF. enough said about him as a freshmen he's just awesome. looks like C-web at times.

    langhi i just dont know. he could be a real deadly shooter. but for a small forward i would rather us get a stud athlete who will thrive w/ francis.

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  2. RENDIGGLER3:20

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    Wallace could be that enforcer type we need but I dont think he would play small forward.

    I do think Griffin can play small forward and think he still may not be ready to be an NBA power forward,Swift comes to mind!


    My favorite SG/SF is Dunleavy but I know he isnt the answer though even though I love him!

    I would love to get Morris but I dont think getting him is realistic but I would not mind Vincent.

    Can Darius Lane play the NBA small forward?If so I would love to have him,he can shoot the lights out and play some nice defense(looks very strong for his size)

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  3. NIKEstrad

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    Ren-Did you mean to say Griffin in the first line, not Wallace? Wallace is a high-flying acrobat, not really an enforcer.

    SFs to add to the list:
    1. Shane Battier- Defensive mastermind. Getting better on offense, maybe an improved SF version of Shandon?

    2. Richard Jefferson-He can play. Can do a little bit of everything.

    On Morris...I don't know what's the deal with him. He's tall, and a great defensive player, at 6'9'' with great speed, he can drive a smaller SF crazy. Sweet outside shot, and a decent post game to go with it. He's leading his team in blocks with over 2 a game. Wouldn't it be crazy if he slipped to our Milwaukee pick?

    If we got any one of the mentioned SFs, I'd be happy. Our draft will be focused on the frontcourt. If we got one of those SFs, and a big man (PF/C) 6'10'' or so with good defense and either a great shotblocker or rebounder, like a Ben Wallace type, we'd be in business.

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  4. TeXaSalsa

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    NIKEstrad

    forgot about those two. thanks i appreciate that alot.

    also can joe johnson play the 3? any1 know?

    terrence morris will be hard to get if he plays well. but he hasnt played superbly this season. dixon is outshining him.


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  5. RENDIGGLER3:20

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    No I meant Wallace,He looks very mean and stong!I have only seen highlights of him and he looked intimidating to me.


    I like Jefferson a lot but isnt he more of a SG?

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  6. NIKEstrad

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    Ren-If there was another position Wallace plays, it'd be SG, not SF (he's only 6'7'').

    I haven't seen much of Joe Johnson, but he's 6'9'' and not very strong(sounds like Dermarr Johnson). Supposedly the next Magic Johnson, but Miner was the next Jordan. I've seen him listed as an NBA SF, compared to an Odom type of game.

    Jefferson is a guy who could fall like Porter did. He's listed at 6'7'', but if he measures short, he's going to be hurt. His game is that of a SF's more than a SG's. He leads his team in blocks (had a 5 game head start on Woods) while 3rd in assists/rebounds, and 4th in scoring. He's not a good enough shooter (33% from 3 point land, 65% FT% 46.5% overall) to be a SG.

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  7. moestavern19

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    Shawn Kemp can find us a Young Small Forward

    Of course they are 16 year old girls on the High School Basketball Team . wink wink

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  8. Ottomaton

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    This seems to pretty much be the profile of the average Rockets draft pick:

    Highschool stud who didn't play as well as expected right away, but stuck in there, played four years, consistantly improved his game and was more ready to play right away than some of the more talented younger guys. This describes Othella Harrington, Jason Collier, and in some respects guys like Bryce Drew, Mobley, Dickerson, Rodrick Rhodes, Dan Langhi and just about every pick the RudyT/CD era Rockets have made.

    This also pretty much defines Battier and to a lesser degree Terrance Morris. So, regardless of who you think the Rockets should draft, I think you pretty much have to consider these two the favorites based on history.

    Personaly, I'd love Battier. From my point of view, the Rockets need a stud low post scorer, and more generally toughness, fire, defense, leadership, and rebounding. Without a stud 'Rockets type' low post guy, Battier helps fix the Rockets the most.

    As for Langhi, I think you have to consider him at best a really good platoon player. I think he could develop into a 'instant offense' type scorer in the type of set where he could curl around some picks on the wing, sort of like Nick Van Exel was doing the other day when the Rockets played the Nuggets.

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  9. TeXaSalsa

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    i like battier too. what worries me is potential. has he already peaked? and is he athletic enough to play a 3?

    i like morris cuz he has superb potential.

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    I definitely agree that SF is a need for this team. I dont think Walt has a long term future with this team; he is just way too streaky. Its too early to say where the Rockets would pick but as of now, players that would appear to fall into the middle of the first round are Terence Morris, Vincent Yarbrough and Shane Battier. Things change a lot but potential superstars like Curry, Chandler, Wallace, Griffin, Randolph, etc look to be populating the top 10.

    I feel that eventually the Rockets will end up going with Dan Langhi and someone they draft at the 3 spot. Walt for now should serve as a stopgap solution, but I dont see him being with this team beyond his contract.

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  11. vj23k

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    getting morris is VERY realistic.

    Some sources say he could drop to 13 or lower. (cbssportsline, nbadraft.net, and a couple more). Many consider this a big man draft (ming, curry, chandler, haywood, woods, randolph)
     
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    Wallace, Morris

    I see them as the top canidates with the 1st pick, and battier as a maybe if he falls or the rocks trade down.

    Morris should be the first guy after the centers.



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  13. TeXaSalsa

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    morris is concerning me right now. he is letting dixon and baxter outshine him completely.

    he is only averaging 11.5 pgg...

    i want him to drop to us but right now he looks to be dropping too far. a positive stat however is that he averages 2.4 blocks from the SF spot!!

    also averages 5.6 RB and 1 steal per game.
    not a great passer tho 1.6 assists..

    morris needs to step up and show that he is worthy of a top 15 pick. the way he is going he could drop out of the first round..



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  14. GATER

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    I don't watch much college hoops until right before March Madness. NBAtalk has Jason Kapono of UCLA, Richard Jefferson of Arizona and Andrew Gooden of Kansas in their Top 5 SF's.

    Anybody a have good handle on these guys? I recall Kapono can really shoot but is a little slow afoot, Jefferson can play some SG (if Shandon leaves) and Gooden has the size to play some PF. All 3 of them should be available.

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    Since when has 6'7" been considered SMALL?!?!

    Wallace is also a SOLIDLY built 225lbs, and has shown the ability to be a strong rebounder and scorer. The only aspects that he needs to work on are his J and smoothing out his ball-handling skills.

    Also, let's remember that Shawn Marion, the player whom Wallace most resembles at this point, is 6'5"-6'6" and does just fine at the 3. Finley is 6'6"-6'7", Hill is 6'8", Kobe is 6'7", Vince is 6'5"-6'6", and all these guys play quite a bit at the 3 and thrive at the position. Wallace is going to be a FANTASTIC NBA 3.

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    Marion is listed as 6'7-6'8 at most places.

    Finley IS 6'7

    Vince is 6'6- 6'7 and plays the two more than the 3. When he plays next to mo pete mo has been guarding the three lately(unless they start torching him)
     
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    And Dream is listed at 7'0", which we all know is not quite true.

    The point I was trying to make is that too much emphasis is placed on height and size in the NBA, and an inch or two can be more than compensated with athleticism and smart play. Marion, who when drafted was listed at 6'5", is becoming an 18-10 SF. Vince played the 3 the past 2 years, and averaged around 5-6 boards a game. Finley spends quite a bit of his time at the 3. And don't forget 6'4" Barkley maning the 4 and consistently in the top 5 in rebounding, or 6'9" Zo Mourning among the leaders in blocks.

    Wallace CAN play the 3 in the NBA. If the Rockets use the Bucks' pick and select Morris, Battier, or Yarborough, then they would have the flexibility to play Wallace at the 2 if/when needed.

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    Marion stood next to walt and looked exactly the same height. (6'8)

    I really wish there were some accurate measurements somewhere on the internet. I think that one or two inches can help you sometimes, but even more so than the inches an extra 10 pounds can help you out a bunch(Just ask Chuck).

    This is just how i feel, but i like for my players to be at these heights

    PG-6'3
    SG-6'6
    SF-6'9
    PF-6'9
    C-6'11

    And at least

    PG-6'1
    SG-6'4
    SF-6'7
    PF-6'8
    C-6'10

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  19. Rocket Guard

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    The only positive from us not getting to the playoffs would be us getting lucky in the draft.

    Wouldn't it be great if by a matter of destiny [​IMG] we could get a top 3 pick with our spot and the 11th with milwaukees?

    Who would you grab with those picks,realisticaly?

    My choices,woods(3rd) and griffin (11th) if he is still around or then morris.

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    Griffin will probably go way before Woods does...to me Woods is a late lottery/mid first rounder...and the way Griffin's been going off he's definitely top 5

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