Thats fantastic...I can go ahead and pull up numbers of people who are in the hall and have less "stats" than Gilmore. If Elton Brand keeps up his pace, he will be among the elite of his time. He has been overshadowed because of the fact that he plays for the Clippers, but he is one of the best PF's in the game.
The first sentence sounds like maybe you're being sarcastic, but I can't quite make out what you mean.
Yeah, i was being sarcastic, but I dont like using those smiley face things, so I guess its hard to read what Im thinking. My point was that you will find players in every sport that deserve to be in there respective Hall-of-Fames, but arent. However, there is a general guideline that is followed and most players that perform at a certain level, will eventually make the HOF, which I think Brand can do if he keeps double-doubling for a few more years. And if his career goes on for another 8 years or so, then I'd say there is a good chance he is in. However, there will be exceptions (Artist Gilmore), just like with anything else in life.
You might find people in the Hall with inferior stats that's because the Hall values team success more. Which Elton Brand also has absolutely none. What do you think about a player like Vince Carter or Paul Pierce ? These are guards surely they can't get a double double but they scored more and had more assists/steals. Plus they have much more team success than Brand. Should they be in the Hall ? What about Stephon Marbury ? Scores more and dish 8 assists a game. Do you think the stats are compatible ? Is Marbury heading to the Hall of Fame ?
I think you can group all these players in with Brand. They all have to keep up their level of production for a considerable amount of time to make up for their lack of winning. They are all relatively young, so they do have a ways to go. But, if they keep at that pace, I dont see how they couldn't be considered for the Hall. Paul Pierce has the best shot among Marbury and Carter. If he keeps his scoring up for 4-5 more seasons, he will have gone over a decade of averaging 25 ppg...thats pretty impressive. He also does other things well, rebounds, assists, steals, shooting percentages, etc... Plus, he has found the most success on the court, which will give him the edge over these other guys.
folks, you guys really don't have a clue about Hall of Fame. Please do some search online, and you will find the rules. Basically, there is a formula that calculates each player's total points. The players' points are the most important indicator for the Hall. In NBA history, no single regular season MVP has left out of the Hall. That means AI, Shaq, TD, KG and Nash are locks for the hall.
There have also only been like 25 MVP's in history. Of course, the players that have won MVP have all had amazing careers, so they should be in the Hall. However, I wouldnt say that if you are MVP one year, you are a lock...Im sure there can be an exception down the road. For instance, if Chauncey Billups wins MVP this year, I wouldnt say that he will be a Hall of Famer...at least not yet.
if you check basketballreference.com, nash's HOF monitor score (in which winning the MVP is a huge factor), is 174. 135 is a likely HoFer (85% have made it) and 140 is almost a lock (99% have made it according to them but on their site only 37 out of the 40 (92.5%) they have listed over 140 have made it). however, they also have a stat called HoF probability (in which MVP's are not a factor) and Nash is only at 2.17% probability right now. so that would seem to indicate that he hasn't really had a HoF quality career, but one great year might get him in anyway. he's 32 right now and these last two years are the only real HoF quality years he has had. maybe one more year in dallas could be considered that good but that's about it. he's at 12.8 ppg and 6.7 apg right now. if the HoF monitor is to be believed, webber is right on the border (134), and duncan, shaq, AI, kg, kidd, nash, payton, and kobe are in. tmac is at 123 right now. reggie miller is only at 130 but he'll obviously get in.
im not one of those guys...so im not a hypocrite. and i don't think horry is the best role player of all time. hitting clutch shots doesn't make you a role player. it just makes you a clutch shooter. i tend to think of someone like a rodman as being much better role player since he was only rebounding and defense.
If Billups can elevate his game to Nash's current level, he will have a chance to win the MVP and get into the HOF.
Nash will be in the HOF for sure anyone who disagrees is an idiot, no MVP has ever not gone to the HOF, and if im not mistaken Nash was MVP last year and has the best chance out of anyone i see this year to win it again. Im not even a nash fan but really to say he is not a HOF is disrespect, i mean give the guy credit the suns have a awsome record without there superstar PF. The guy plays good smart ball and will be in the HOF mark my words.
Yao shoud be in for sure.... ask the CFO of NBA. He should be ranked even higher or at least 2nd to MJ for income generated for the NBA..... who cares about top scoring
No Doubters, would be in if they retired today: Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Allen Iverson, Kobe Bryant, Shaq, Gary Payton, Dikembe Mutombo, Jason Kidd, Chris Webber. Getting close, need another couple years at current pace: Steve Nash, Vince Carter A ways to go, but on the right track: LeBron James, Dirk Nowitzki, Tracy McGrady, Paul Pierce, Dwayne Wade. Possible, might take them 4 to 5 trys: Ben Wallace, Alonzo Mourning. No way in hell: Robert Horry and Sam Cassell...comon guys, the voters would take away your right to watch the NBA for suggesting something that stupid. I know were mostly all Rockets fans, and I love those two guys too, but, look at the current Hall of Famers and then Horry and Cassell...not even close.
Oops, I forgot to include Yao on the "A ways to go, but on the right track" part. If he plays another 6-7 years on a 20 pts & 9-10 boards pace, he'll make it for sure.
