You mean the two guys JVG likes most are the two guys who hurt this team by far the most? In that case, I am glad the other guys don't fit his mold. Seriously, JVG has a thing for scrubs or something, apparently it's a serious obsession...may be a medical condition that's long overdue for a treatment.
Its evolution... the average NBA player today is bigger/faster/stronger than the one 20 years ago. For those teams that commit to playing defense for the entire game (ie - the Spurs and Pistons.... and to some extent the Mavs, Heat, and Pacers), the game gets ugly pretty fast. Why else do you think the NBA was trying to put all those rule changes in... the no hand-check, the ticky-tack foul being enforced, the zone defense... they want to encourage less defense, better shooting, and more fast-breaks. Unfortunately, for the NBA, the best teams are still the most physical, defensively sound, slow-tempo/half-court execution offense, all-around tough as nailz team. I think the NBA can live with that, as long as the other 25 teams are "fun to watch"... but will ultimately get smoked in the playoffs by the better teams.
Ryan can't play on the offensive side, and is vastly overrated on the defensive side; and Juwan can't defend or rebound when needed, has a flat jump shot, and is passing his prime. But they are passionate. Maybe Gundy needs a few WWF guys - one of them might make a great PF/enforcer.
I had to stop right here since I was bawling from laughter. seriously, show me how many championships the pistons and spurs have won?
Dude... I'm SUPPORTING the Pistons and Spurs style of basketball... and they've won SIX between the two playing that exact style. Looking at the NBA champions over the last 15 years, you either have to have the best player in basketball in that individual year (Jordan, Olajuwon, Shaq, Duncan), the best defense (Pistons, Spurs), or both. 15 years is a significant enough time to show that in this day and age, the TOUGH style is going to win you more games than the FLASH style.
There's one other factor that has dramatically removed the morale from this team: the revolving door. Honestly, we don't know who we are. Our players don't know who they're playing with. Derek Anderson? John Lucas? Moochie Norris? Keith Bogans? Jon Barry? Chuck Hayes? Lonnie Baxter? Gerald Fitch? Maciej Lampe? Rick Brunson? That's a LONG list of names. Some of these players started the season with us, but won't finish. The others will finish, but didn't start with us. We shouldn't expect our players to gel together and play like a strong team when we go through so many people on our roster. And, didn't we have a pretty bad revolving door problem last year, too? Sheesh - I long for the season when we only have maybe one small trade, we're happy with our roster, and the players (and fans) can actually feel like we have a team, instead of a halfway-house for homeless NBA players.
Sounds like the guys are pretty upbeat. That's good. We'll need this intensity to win back to back championships.
Uhh... most of those players wouldn't even come close to sniffing the roster of the other 29 teams in the NBA. The only exception might be a healthy Barry, and he was contemplating retirement last year. Yes, DA has NO BUISNESS being in the NBA anymore... he's that bad. The conclusion is - it shouldn't matter that these guys are with/not with this team... they were awful to begin with, and us getting them merely further illustrates how little overall talent (outside of a healthy T-mac and Yao) that this team has.
It's official. JVG is r****ded. Get rid of JVG and then get rid of his puppies Howard and Bowen. Those 2 are the players who hurt the Rockets most when on the court and he likes them!!!! This is some hilarious stuff!
Tigermission, I think you are finally beginning to see the light. Welcome to the dark...I mean the good side!
COACHES MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE!! Man i can't believe you tigermission trying to claim the the spurs and mavs would still be a good team w/o their coach. Everyone who agrees with him, you all are just a bunch of irrational unthinking idiots. Sorry tigermission, but i had to say it. Jordan couldn't get to the playoffs much less the finals until Phil jackson came in. Yes his average per game was still around the same ball park the year before and after Phil Jackson came in but Phil Jackson knew what needed to be done. W/o coaches, you'd have 5 gifted athletic players playing streetball. No plays, no communication, and NO HEAD BRAIN TO SPOT the other team's weaknesses. Coaches devise plans to shut down the other team. Remember 96 when Hakeem was completely shut down and we had to traded for barkley? Well, you can give all that credit to George Karl b/c w/o him teams wouldn't have figured out how to shut down such a dominant player as Hakeem and we wouldn't have had to trade for another superstar in hopes for him to take the load off of hakeem. Most of you people on this thread are irration rioters. Yea JVG isn't a superb coach but he's still a good coach. Granted, if we could trade JVG for PJ, that would be a good idea. But don't go so far as to say JVG is a horrible coach.
Are you serious? MJ never made the playoffs until Phil came? Dude, you lost most of your credibility righ there. You need to go revisit history before trying to call someone out. As far as I know, Magic Johnson and plenty of other teams ran plays without the coachs interference. Magic as a matter of fact took Dunleavys playbook and tossed it in the water at the beach and pointed to his head and told him this is our playbook, and they made the finals. Bottom line, JVG isnt a horrible coach but horrible at making adjustments. He also seems like a man under pressure unloading on all of his players in the media, and only praising Bowen
1. JVG is a copy of Riley 2. he is a copy of the NY Riley NOT THE L.A. RILEY L.A. Riley was a run and gun N.Y. Riley was mug and slug Rocket River
1. the spurs have a SUPERSTAR in Duncan 2. for all the crap about the PISTONS being the best *TEAM* it is not true in the sense that they have the most talented starting 5 in the league Their INDIVIDUAL talents are such that on any given night they have the Advantage at 2 positions at the tip. and are not lacking anywhere else Easy to win that way the FOCUS on Defense is true I think THE WAY JVG calls people out it more demeaning than most coaches and it seem to be through the media my question for the coach: If you noticed a Lack of effort. . . .WHAT DID YOU DO ABOUT IT *IN* PRACTICE? If he is seeing that . . well coach . .try COACHING!!! Rocket River
Where did I say they don't make a difference? I said coaching is OVERRATED most of the times, and it is! Yes of course good coaching can make a difference, but the difference good coaching makes is usually minor and it's usually just providing a direction or some larger philosophy for a team that's missing it and is already on the verge of a breakthrough -- alas what the Zen Master has done at every stop except this last one of his. My point is this: MOST experienced coaches in this league are pretty darn good and all of them know what they are doing. They might emphasize different things (i.e. offense like Nelly or defense like JVG), but the only thing teams need to do when hiring coaches is to hire one whose philosophy fits the structure of your team and can get the most out of the players' abilities. And yes, I stand by my assertion that quiet often coaches get too much credit and coaching in general is overrated at the pro-evel.
Yeah, but JVG always says the talent difference between teams in the NBA is negligible. Yeah, right. It's also interesting that Yao is the only player on our roster who's been here for over 22 months. Of the players that have been here in the last 22 months he singled out Howard and Bowen as exceptions to an otherwise dispassionate and uninspired team which singles out Wesley, Deke, TMac and Yao. And there's a good chance Wesley and Deke won't be here next year. Even presuming CD is completely responsible for the high player turnover, how in hell is he coming up with guys who have no intensity, lack heart and determination and whom (coincidentally) JVG can't motivate? Memo to Yao: Dude your coach loves you and that player of the week thing last week was cool. But heads up man, your team sucks and you seriously need to throw tantrums, curse at strangers in restaurants and come up with derogatory nicknames in Chinese for all your wimp teammates until JVG can sleep at night. Your coach has almost always had your back, and he really needs an emotional lift. You owe it to him. Yo TMac, wazzup? Your personal problems have robbed a legendary coach of his mojo. JVG doesn't need you to shoot 40%, he's begging for you to tell him to ***k off so he can be sure that you actually to do sort of listen to him. And one more thing, you need to publically back up your coach here like you always do. Say Juwan and Rybo are the only guys on the team that give a damn, and then ask Yao to bend down so you can pat him on the head. Then BAM your on the cover of Sports Illustrated and everyone's happy. Good times. At least until JVG self-deprocates even further, makes this franchise look like it's imploding and we turn over the roster yet again. As much as I loathe PJ I hope both Rudy and he have pictures of him over their mantles, in their offices and on their night stands just so they can laugh any time they want to.
