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2004 voting hoopla continues

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rhadamanthus, Feb 24, 2006.

  1. rhadamanthus

    rhadamanthus Member

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    Interpret as you see fit:

    http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-auth.cgi?file=/1954/19421.html

    There is more on the site - some benign like a "card stuck error", others a little weirder, like one machine being powered down 128 times.

    As an aside - the Black Box Voting people are really doing a great thing in my opinion, regardless of your political affiliation.
     
  2. mrpaige

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    I think if my name was Arthur Anderson, I'd change it, especially if counting things or keeping records was part of my job. Even though the spelling is different, my first thought was wondering why this county would trust the defrocked accounting firm Arthur Andersen.

    And why can't we go back to defrauding elections the old fashioned way like they do in Forney and in Dallas? We're spending way too much on fancy machines when paper ballot fraud is a proven and cost-effective method.

    I do think we need to standardize voting across the country, but I don't know that federal election officers would be any better than the county and state-level cronies that currently muck everything up.
     
  3. wnes

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    libpig outrage du jour
     
  4. white lightning

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    Here's an article about the exit polling that showed Kerry ahead in all of the battleground states, where Bush eventually won. It's a statistical and scientific study of the poll results that basically says:

    "As much as we can say in social science that something is impossible, it is impossible that the discrepancies between predicted and actual vote counts in the three critical battleground states of the 2004 election could have been due to chance or random error."

    http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/11/Expldiscrpv00oPt1.pdf
     
  5. mrpaige

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    Nevermind. I'm not going to argue the assumption that a sample should be more accurate than a census.

    It was all a fraud. Samples are always better and more accurate than actually counting. If there's ever a discrepancy, it's the sample that's correct.

    I agree.

    But geez, how many decades before somebody finally does something about voter fraud in Dallas?
     
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    It's the machine counting that's under suspicion.
     
  7. wnes

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    Yup, as they say "guns don't kill people, people kill people," but wait, ooops ..
     
  8. losttexan

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    You have no concern if the elections were rigged? This is the foundation of our country. If someone I voted for was elected through ballot fraud I would be as outraged as if it were a candidate that I didn't vote for.


    But I guess I just care about the democratic system.
    I hope this isn't true but it's so important to our way of life that if there are discrepancies they should be investigated.
     
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  9. wnes

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    Some detector is broken. :(
     
  10. Nolen

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    I myself have never been convinced that there was tampering.... but that was a scary read.
     
  11. thadeus

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    If our leaders aren't fairly elected, then this is no longer a democracy.
     
  12. Saint Louis

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    The U.S. is a republic not a democracy.
     
  13. thadeus

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    Consider it shorthand for "our politicians are elected democratically."

    Or you could just go ahead and be pedantic.
     
  14. Saint Louis

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    While they are elected democratically (allegedly), most policticians vote to appease those you contribute to their campaign war chest. Running for politicial office is now an opportunity that isn't avaibalbe to most Americans because most Americans are too poor to run for political office. I guess I view all politicians as a bunch of whores.
     
  15. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    The US is a representative democracy, which is in fact a type of democracy.
     
  16. IROC it

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    "...And to the REPUBLIC for which it stands..."


    Oops. :D
     

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