Truth to Rumor? Bucher mentions Rockets-Francis link

Well, anybody over Howard would be an improvement for the Rockets mogrod, I'll give you that.

Jamal Magloire would be a great fit!

 

knicks -francis

rocks -dooling (van gundy bros connection) or diener.

 

The speculation is that since Magloire wants a max contract and the Bucks aren't going to give him, it's likely they're going to try to move him. They were talking about this on SR610 tonight.

 

Now I get it. He's trying to have a bigger payroll than the Yankees.

 

Magloire On The Block Again?
JournalTimes.com - 02/20 - 9:34 PM EST
Jamaal Magloire's contract expires after next season - he makes $8.3 million this season and next season - and he's looking for some team to show him the money.

Some NBA insiders claim Magloire's agent, Arn Tellum, wants to land his client a "max'' contract. And Tellum, unquestionably one of the best agents in the business, might pull it off.

But Tellum isn't likely to hammer out a deal with the Bucks. Bucks owner Herb Kohl gave shooting guard Michael Redd a "max'' contract for nearly $91 million last summer and, considering the small market the Bucks play in and considering Kohl's pockets aren't as excessively deep as some owners like Paul Allen's in Portland or Mark Cuban's in Dallas, he isn't likely to sign off on another monsterous contract any time soon. That's especially true when you consider Kohl will have other significant salary concerns in the next couple of years with point guards T.J. Ford and Mo Williams, not to mention Bogut.

The prevailing thought among some NBA front office officials is that if Magloire/Tellum don't come down on their contract demands, the Bucks will trade Magloire this summer to a team that is willing to accommodate him. But then, Magloire's trade value could diminish. Other teams would know that Magloire would become a free agent after the 2006-2007 season, and that they might be able to sign him later as a free agent.

The NBA's trading deadline is Thursday afternoon. By then, it wouldn't be totally surprising if Harris had returned one of those calls he received last week

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I don't see it happening either, but IF houston were gonna spend big they may as well get someone who they actually could use. Like i said i don't buy the francis or odom talk, but i'm curious to see what they do.

 

Again, I have to cite some hindsight bias here. I agree that some of the contracts Les handed out were undeserved, but not all of them were "head scratchers" in an Isiah Thomas/Scott Layden sense.

The year Moochie signed his contract, he averaged 8.5 points and 5 assists a game off the bench. I'll concede that giving a 6-year contract to someone nearing 30 at the time was dumb, but I'd wouldn't call $4 million/year grossly overpaying for that kind of output.

While I agree that Taylor's contract was fairly bloated, he had come off a 17/6 season for the Clippers and had played a solid 13/6 season for us. Many Rockets fans believed we had found the quality big man to compliment to our young backcourt. Considering the types of contracts Dampier and Foyle have gotten in recent years, Taylor's contract hardly seemed unreasonable or out of the question at the time.

In 2002, Francis was coming off a 21/7/6.5 season. Those numbers are almost Lebron-esque. It was his third year in the league, and he had been improving every year. How were we supposed to know he had already hit his peak? I challenge you to name ONE team out there that wouldn't give a 25 year old player with those numbers a max contract.

 

Who in thier right mind would ever give Magloire a max contract? I like him as a player and all, but c'mon. He gets a lot of rebounds but not much else. Isn't the greatest shot-blocker, has relatively horrible FG% given his size...I just don't get it??

 

Word. This guy is Cato with 25% more skills. The fact that people even want to bring him in next to Yao disturbs me. He sure as heck ain't no PF.

 

C.D. is that you? I understand your comments, but I would not have made any of those deals at the time. I thought they were all ill-advised. In retrospect, it is clear that they were. When a fan knows more than management, management has a problem. Despite his numbers, I saw problems with Francis' game the first time I saw him play. I have never changed my mind about him.

 

Posted by Achilles:

"The Spurs people, really? IF it were up to them they would have had Grant Hill a couple of years ago, which would have eaten up their salary. The Spurs have good foreign scouting, but they get LUCKY a lot"

I agree- the Spurs best aquisition was the ping pong ball that got them Duncan. Wihout him they would still seek a championship.....

 

this is a little different version of that:
Houston Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Derek Anderson
6-5 SG from Kentucky
10.8 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.6 apg in 29.1 minutes
Juwan Howard
6-9 PF from Michigan
10.9 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.4 apg in 31.0 minutes
David Wesley
6-1 SG from Baylor
10.9 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 3.0 apg in 35.2 minutes
Incoming
Lamar Odom
6-10 SF from Rhode Island
13.9 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 5.3 apg in 39.2 minutes
Change in team outlook: -18.7 ppg, -4.2 rpg, and -1.7 apg.


L.A. Lakers Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Lamar Odom
6-10 SF from Rhode Island
13.9 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 5.3 apg in 39.2 minutes
Incoming
Juwan Howard
6-9 PF from Michigan
10.9 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.4 apg in 31.0 minutes
Quentin Richardson
6-6 SG from DePaul
7.9 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 1.6 apg in 25.7 minutes
Change in team outlook: +4.9 ppg, +1.2 rpg, and -2.3 apg.


Orlando Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Steve Francis
6-3 PG from Maryland
16.3 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 5.7 apg in 37.9 minutes
Incoming
Derek Anderson
6-5 SG from Kentucky
10.8 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 2.6 apg in 29.1 minutes
David Wesley
6-1 SG from Baylor
10.9 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 3.0 apg in 35.2 minutes
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG from Michigan
14.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 4.0 apg in 33.4 minutes
Change in team outlook: +19.4 ppg, +5.4 rpg, and +3.9 apg.


New York Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG from Michigan
14.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 4.0 apg in 33.4 minutes
Quentin Richardson
6-6 SG from DePaul
7.9 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 1.6 apg in 25.7 minutes
Incoming
Steve Francis
6-3 PG from Maryland
16.3 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 5.7 apg in 37.9 minutes
Change in team outlook: -5.6 ppg, -2.4 rpg, and +0.1 apg.



Successful Scenario
Due to Houston, L.A. Lakers, Orlando and New York being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Houston, L.A. Lakers, Orlando and New York had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

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basically, rox get odom. NY gets stevie. orlando gets d-wes, DA, & jamal crawford. and LA gets juwan and q-rich.

this isn't the greatest deal, but everyone gets a little happier. this is more like a change-of-scenery deal for all the players involved, with talent matched up roughly well.
Rockets dump DA, and basically trade Juwan and D-wes for odom. more on that at the end.
NY finally gets stevie [i'm not sure why they're chasing him so hard, except for marketing $$].
LA gets juwan to replace their odom experiment, and gets q-rich the 'sharpshooter' to hit shots after defenders collapse on kobe.
Orlando dumps steve's contract, and gets 3 SGs, 2 with expiring contracts. crawford is a more than formidable '2' guard, and there'd finally be no fighting about what position that player is going to play. plus, they get some veteran help with d-wes, and also get the financial flexibility with which to possibly add someone to dwight howard come summertime, with DA's and Wesley's contracts expiring.

Overpriced Lamar Odom or Slow-n-Steady Juwanna Man? that's the question everyone is wondering. according to HoopsHype, Odom's contract is aaaaaaaaaaaaalmost exactly double of Juwan's contract, year-to-year. so is it worth it? i say yes. considering that lamar is also taking up wesley's and DA's contract space, who are coming off the books anyway, i say it's a good investment. it's likely that wesley won't be resigning here next year considering the trade rumors that followed him the last couple years. and we're getting rid of DA anyway.
odom can do everything that KG can, except he's not the same kind of beast. but he's perfectly capable of running point, he can stroke the Head, erm, oops, i mean the 3, from outside, and he can rebound fairly decently. he's not a rebounding beast, but hey, we already have one rubber chucky [hayes]. odom has an extreme amount of athletik-cism, and could do a decent job of keeping up with agile PFs. his defense is very superior to juwan's [he can block shots!]. and he can draw defenses by stroking the 3, much like padgett did from the 4 spot.
the biggest deal i think is that he can DEFINITELY become the 3rd option. he doesn't need to be fed the ball. he can take it himself, and take over on his own. god forbid any future injury to Mac, but if that's the case, Odom + Yao could still keep us afloat, whereas the same can DEFINITELY NOT be said of Juwan + D-Wes + Yao. if anything were to happen to Mac for a number of games, Odom could slide into the '3' spot, and do a pretty good job of filling in; chuck or stro could slide into the PF spot, and the remaining person could back up the '4.'
there's no argument that lamar is a superior player to D-Wes and Juwan. the question is: is he worth twice juwan's contract?

it's unlikely that LA will give up on Odom for Juwan + Q-Rich, but considering their aspirations for Odom + Kobe, they are kinda disappointed with the experiment. they'd be getting a sure thing out of Juwan - a different kind of PF that doesn't require the same kind of degree of ball-handling to be effective, as odom needed. they also get a 'dependable' sharpshooter (Q-Rich) to punish the double-teams with. rocket fans may wonder why we'd want lamar, despite all the above, mainly because of his inconsistency, and also because of his failure to mesh with kobe. if he didn't work out with kobe, why would he work out with Mac and Yao? i think our system is more team-oriented, where the star players are less selfish, and the supporting players do less looking-on than in LA. this is definitely open to debate.

if we get Odom to go along with T-Mac+Yao... wow.
i'm all-in for that. i doubt LA would be, though.

 

We're trading Tmac for Francis.

 

Wesley's not the tallest blade of grass on the lawn either. Yet he holds his own.

 

solid we all saw the flaws in Steve's game, but his overall stats were in heady company after his 3rd year. And there was considerable room for improvement which made his max contract a no-brainer even then.

Now max contracts are routinely given out with far less expectations than we had then. But the only relevant criteria for a max contract then or now is how many teams would jump to give it to player x. It has nothing to do with our former concept of a franchise player.

And as someone recently pointed out (man, I thought it was you!) the rule changes happened at that time (the perimeter checking wasn't enfoced until the next year though) and how in hell has that not benefitted someone with Steve's talent? Of all the things CD/Rudy could be criticized for giving SF the max isn't even arguable without the benefit of hindsight.

I'm more befuddled with SF than ever though.

 

I would'nt be surprise if Francis suit up in FAKERS unis, guys! It's in the works. I f Phil is in demand, i'm sure Buss will be all hype! Sure hope not! Coz' that's scary backcourt duo. Kobe + Steve, oh man!

 

Did you watch the whole coast-to-coast?
Houston was named for lifting Steve's price and Houston doesn't have any pieces to make the deal.

 

No way Portland takes DA ...again!

 

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I don't understand all of the anti-Francis sentiment here. Francis would definitely be an improvement at SG over who we have now. Francis would make us much quicker in the backcourt. Francis can penetrate and has the range...he already knows Van Gundy's system. He would only have to adapt to being 3rd scoring option to to T-Mac and Yao. This team needs a 3rd scoring threat. Francis can provide that and with T-Mac's back being the way it is...and looking at our record w/o him. All you people drooling over Lamar Odom need to stop it. Odom is a pansy and disappears night after night. There is no Ben Wallace like player out there available to play next to Yao. What's wrong with making teams matchup with us as opposed to the Rockets having to matchup with other teams? A lineup of Alston, Francis, T-Mac, Howard/Swift, Yao is a pretty damn good lineup if you ask me. That team should have at least 30 assists on most nights. If the Rockets can get a deal done with Orlando while keeping T-Mac and Yao. they need to do it now.