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Yao is the only center in the NBA averaging over 20 points per game

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DeAleck, Feb 8, 2006.

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  1. pirc1

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    You mean like the Dream? or like TD when he first got here? or Deke or ...
     
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    Let's get our terminology better. Rascist is too strong of a word at least for my taste.

    I would prefer to say that there may be some prejudice or bias against Yao because he is a white player from a foreign country from the media, from fellow NBA members, and from game officials.

    The general STEREOTYPE is BIG, WHITE GUY. HE MUST BE SLOW, SOFT, AND WEAK. With less emphasis on the DUMB because after all he is Chinese. If he was an oversized white Iowa farm boy, then he would be considered DUMB also. So, he is probably actually pretty brain smart, but not physical, or fast enough, or quick enough, or strong enough to play with the shorter but still hugely oversized, superiorly athletic and strong, black guys in the league because after all.............black players are for the most huge, and strong, and fast, and quick, and atheletically superior.

    It is one reason that we keep hearing about the referees blowing the whistle on anticipation of the play instead of what actually happens.

    When Bird was playing, we heard the same thing over and over from black media, fans, and players. Bird was non-athletic and the only reason he was in the league was because he was white, a white guy in a white town. S.A.S. is just another one of those guys whose credibility is hurt by the fact that he can't accept that a white boy from a foreign country can compete with his boyz that grew up on the streets.

    McGrady's words on the subject should have shut up people like him and Barkley, but it won't until the Rockets win a championship. Then people like them will all of a sudden jump on the bandwagon.

    That's why they are not really good at what they do. They can't see the future. All they can do is see the past. And they are still adhering to the stereotypes and biases of the past.

    It's just like the ranting about what a "bad" basketball team the Rockets "are". As soon as we get back in the playoff chase, we will be a "good" basketball team. Well, dur. Tell me something I don't already know. Why do I need you? You're supposed to be telling me who is coming on and who is going to make a move. 99% of the time these guys tell you what has already happened and at the very best what is currently happening with emphasis on the event just completed, such as last night's game or the first half of tonight's game during halftime of the same game. Step out on a limb and tell me what's going to happen over the next 2 months. We've got a guy on here predicting 9 W's in a row. He predicted that before the first win I do believe. S.A.S. and the TNT guys wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole. They wouldn't want to be wrong about it. All they do is state the obvious. None of them are picking the Rockets to even be in the playoff chase right now, much less actually make the playoffs. Their predictions are all generic centralized around the top 10 current teams in the thick of the playoff race.

    I'll be so glad when Van Gundy and TMac and Yao stick it to them again.
     
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    Well...In the end, I still blame the white people. ;) Why? Because most if not all the NBA owners are white, the commissioner is white, I am sure the boss of TNT, ABC, etc. are white. They allow this to go on, it's a consipiracy of creating conflicts between coloured people.

    EDIT: maybe we should just let these things go. there's not much we can do other than do our parts in our individual lives. I am just glad and proud that Yao will be a starter and will be leading the all-star votes for many more seasons.

    I am only half joking here.
     
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    Since when was I white? No one ever told me that. :confused: :confused:
     
  5. Clutch

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    He sure has... if you ignore rebounds, blocks, assists, steals, turnovers, fouls and the extra 18-19 wins and hone in on that .085 points per game average difference. Let's not get carried away here.

    Yao is a very good player with special skills, but if he was on Tim Duncan's level, this wouldn't even be an argument.
     
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    I'm uncomfortable about the "racist" and even "ethnocentric" view here. Sure, I believe that does play into a lot of the flak Yao takes, but I think even more of it is about his size. There's still the mentality that a 6'0 guy shouldn't be able to dunk on a 7'0 guy even though it happens to the best (remember KJ going at Dream?).

    It is amazing how inaccurate the talking heads (and refs) are about Yao though, and eventually it will be very interesting to hear what Yao thinks about all this 15 years from now.

    Meanwhile it's time for him to make even larger statements on the court, and I think he will.
     
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    Sometimes people have bias without even realizing it.
    If they want to find faults, they can always find what is wrong with Yao's game and how Yao does not measure up to whoever the top dogs are at the moment.

    If you want to look at overall numbers, the NBA already has a pretty good indicator. The efficiency per game.
    http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Efficiency.jsp
    Among all players:
    11) Duncan 24.43
    13) Camby 23.97
    21) Yao 21.48
    39) Shaq 19.19
    I wouldn't be so quick to say who is not on whose level!
     
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    60% of American think Canada is the 51st state like Peruto Rico.
     
  9. beyao

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    It's quite fun to watch the on-air tension that exists this season between Legler and the Stephen "Urkel" Smith/Greg Anthony combo.

    Legler was pro Nash MVP, while the other 2 were for Shaq and or Iverson.

    ...90% of the time Legler says anything positive about non-black players, the other 2 will tear him down. I think the producers of the show have prolly talked to them about it so that it doesn't become too blatant...afterall, the vast majority of the audience is White.
     
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    the difference between YAO and TD is consistence. Also, to value a postup player, THE ability to be the AXIS is very important. TD is way better than YAO. And of course, YAO is no the right track.


    so, overall, TD is half-level better than YAO right now
     
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    I agree with this wholeheartedly. As for the bolded part, that is actually the mentality that Yao approaches the game with..(I remember back in his rookie year, he made a very similar comment about how [paraphrasing]basketball is not something you can talk about, but rather go out and show people your skills..). I admire that approach to the game and when all is said and done, his body of work will attest to that...

    It won't satisfy the talking heads or quieten all the yapping and sniping that is going on right now about him, but he'll (and we, I suppose) will have the last laugh.
     
  12. TIM BREAUX

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    BOTTOM LINE...

    All-Star games are popularity contests...Yao is popular with 1.3 Billion people...

    So are Iverson and McGrady obviously...

    If you want to make it a game of guys that deserve it...call it something else...because it won't be an ALL-STAR GAME...

    it would be called...THE GUYS WHO ARE PLAYING WELL RIGHT NOW (SOME WAY ABOVE THEMSELVES) GAME

    a STAR is something else.
     
  13. TIM BREAUX

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    How could scoring not be performing...his minutes are up...his rebounds are up...his scoring is up...and why the COMPASISON to other players...how about comparing him to himself over the last few years? That shows improvement...

    Without the games missed for the toe snafu...Yao is having a "at this point in time" career year.
     
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    That would be COMPARISON...damn...I just lost the argument.

    GO ROCKETS!!!
     
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    Not really. Tim Duncan is indeed consistent, but there's an argument to be made that Yao's consistency is nearing the same level.

    The main difference between the two are their defensive games. I believe it would be fair to say that they both have an equal amount of offensive talent. However, Duncan is a few levels above Yao when comparing rebounding and defensive game. Duncan has that extra oomph that Yao hasn't yet acquired.
     
  16. RocketForever

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    2002: Yao Ming sucks donkey balls. His coordination is so bad that he can't run and chew gum at the same time.

    2006: Yao Ming sucks. He can't jump over 3 defenders and then do a 720 windmill dunk.

    2012: Yao Ming still sucks. He can't cure cancer. A 7'6" should be able to do more for mankind than only playing basketball.
     
  17. hkomives

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    Yao is already doing good things for mankind, he doesn't only play basketball. By 2012, you'll probably be quite proud he was in your hometown of Houston.
     
  18. RocketForever

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    I guess your sarcasm meter is not working today. :)
     
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    Similar to the bias against Warren Moon in the NFL. Even after his HOFer status.

    I think the most telling stat about Yao and the All Star voting was in another thread where someone pointed out the like 80% of all voting is from paper ballots anyway... in the USA, at NBA arenas. Of the 1.2-1.5 billion Chinese, a very small <1% even care about Yao Ming or the NBA.
     
  20. hangxy

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    Maybe he would say good things about Yao when he could have a black girl friend.
     

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