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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by mc mark, Jan 31, 2006.

  1. vlaurelio

    vlaurelio Member

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    why don't bush and supporters set an example.. withdraw all their foreign oil related financial interests
     
  2. rodrick_98

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    that infrastructure already exsists... hydrogen is not the way to go, but look at these 2 choices:

    check out e85, or an 85%ethanol 15%gasoline mixture, already useable in millions of gm cars

    or biodiesel, b20 wouldn't require changing our gas station tanks....

    both of these options would boost our economy, and lessen the need for foreign oil.
     
  3. mc mark

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    Ah...but then Exxon wouldn't make billions and billions of profit...
     
  4. Ubiquitin

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    Hydrogen is overrated at the moment. Biodiesel is the future
     
  5. bigtexxx

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    Yes I like the ethanol idea, especially. Brazil has made a major move towards ethanol powered cars. There was a great article in the WSJ about it a few weeks ago. However, they have a huge cost advantage in producing ethanol from their cheap, abundant sugar cane. We'd have to rely on more expense corn-based ethanol most likely.
     
  6. Ubiquitin

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    One thing we cannont do is exhaust our farm land. At the moment, it's being destroyed at a rapid pace to make way for commercial developments. I like the idea, but we need nitrogen in the soil!
     
  7. bigtexxx

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    WTF??? You think we're exhausting our farm land? Do you not think that using farm land to help address our energy needs is a worthwhile use of it?
     
  8. Ubiquitin

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    I think it is a worthwhile use, but we cannot let Capitalism ruin the land either. Cycle the crops, or do not even bother using ethanol. You understand?
     
  9. DonnyMost

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    Nice sig, texxx.. but doesn't the convo transpire as..

    "What up, Parns?

    Yo Samberg, what's crackin?"
     
  10. bigtexxx

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    What modern farmer does not cycle crops (crop rotations)???

    Have you ever flown over the US? Fly from Kalifornia to NYC sometime and tell me we're running out of farm land.
     
  11. geeimsobored

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    Actually on that point, one of my biggest problems with the ethanol scheme in the US is that we refuse to actually try importing some sugar. Thanks to lobbying by the agricultural industry, we've effectively put up trade barriers around importing sugar. Even with importing sugar, sugar-based ethanol is still cheaper than corn-produced ethanol. Corn based ethanol is more expensive and substantially less efficient

    But I agree with you totally that we need to encourage the use of ethanol outside of the few farm communities that use it.
     
  12. Drewdog

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    FEAR
    FEAR
    FEAR
    FEAR
    FEAR

    TERROR!

    Thats all I got out of that crappy speech. Brainwash the American public to believe that Iraq, 9/11, Osama Bin Laden, as WMD are all one in the same. Hes done a terrific job to scare the **** out of us and distort the facts......

    :mad:
     
  13. RocketMan Tex

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    The FEAR card is the only card he has left in his deck with which to play.....
     
  14. mc mark

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    And we know that deck is missing a few cards...
     
  15. halfbreed

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    Oh yeah you must be right.

    You don't think Exxon is looking to come up with the next big type of energy? They want a piece of it too. They didn't get to where they are being bad businessmen. Good business says that you take advantage of new technologies and not pull the hood over your head.
     
  16. halfbreed

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    You obviously weren't wearing your tinfoil hat.
     
  17. nycrocket

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    Incorrect. Exxon no longer makes any kind of substantial investment in alternative energy. They used to have a big program when recently retired CEO Lee Raymond took charge, but he axed it. Disproving global warming and moving away from alternative energy was one of his main issues. Other majors do have interests in alternative energy though.
     
  18. insane man

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    you know nothing about exxon do you? BP prides itself as being an energy company as does shell. but exxon is oil only essentially. they have a better motto. they'll buy out any alternative energy that develops instead of producing it themselves.
     
  19. GladiatoRowdy

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    I hear it was t_j that caused the tsunami when his Pythons splashed in the Pacific while visiting California.
     
  20. calurker

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    This sentiment assume some sort of institutional long-term planning and strategy, which is shared by neither the shareholders nor the executives in today's market. You also know very little about Exxon's history of exploitation, collusion and conspiracy to stifle any new developments that challenges its oil hegemony.

    It's not a bad business for itself, its shareholders, and perhaps its employees. But it's a bad business for mankind.
     

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