[Chron] The first question Gary Kubiak will hear today: Who will be the No. 1 Pick?

Man that is so true. I wish Vince was not lopped in with Longhorn nation in this debate. I realize that they are forever conjointed but in this discussion it is about Vince's ties to Houston, not Austin. He happened to play at UT but his skillset seems to indicate that he would've done the same thing had he played at A&M, FSU, or USC. And his body of work would warrant a love affair from Houston irrespective of where he played, considering what he did.

EDIT msn...it's all good. Again my lengthy post was for my website but i thought it fit the direction of this topic.

 

again...IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THAT!!!!! i don't think reggie bush will necessarily be a better player than VY. i think VY has the possibility of turning into a true franchise QB. i think franchise QB's are so rare that you don't pass them up because of players like David Carr. and you don't select a potential franchise RB ahead of a franchise QB.

to top that all off....(insert all the emotional/hometown/marketing/business arguments made on VY's behalf here since he declared eligible for the draft)

"lay off chance" and "i respect his stance"....don't jive real well with the "especially if you're an adult" comment.

again...if you want Bush...you're an adult. you're mature if you root for the Texans as a die-hard fan after 4 years. that's maturity.

if you're hoping the Texans select VY...if you think they'll be making a mistake otherwise...if you're not hooked on them yet....well...that's immature and child-like.

got it.

 

we are nuts.

 

Thanks! I went back (with volume knob down) and looked around for articles, but only found the letter.

 

Sorry Chance, but this is a load of bullplop.

I know you claim your UT bias has nothing to do with your viewpoint, but it's pretty obvious that it does.

Imagine if VY had gone to FSU, would you feel the same way? Would VY be getting half the buzz for the #1 pick in Houston with the UT faithful not caring on the matter? Doubtful.

 

yeah i am adding the stuff later. including a bunch of emails that have been sent in to the playas, crew, and shift.

 

He went to UT so we'll never know. For the record I still wish R. Lewis was a Rocket. And his body of work before turning pro was nothing like VY's.

And incidentally I do think he would've been getting the hype in Houston but it would not have turned into a UT thing. It would've been a Houston thing like it should be now.

 

You mean you can't imagine, for just a split second, what your emotions would be if VY had gone elsewhere? If he hadn't played for the school you love and hold dear? It's not that much of a stretch.. If you can imagine these hypothetical scenarios it really helps you look at things rationally and objectively.

 

Judging by tickets sold, MLB is more popular than it's ever been.

 

Max. Its not about Reggie Bush. Its about us not wanting to use another #1 overall pick when we have a quarterback who the organization believes in, have dumped an enormous amout of money into and a new coach who believes in him as well.

I said in my earlier post that i'm not a die hard Texan fan yet, but I think after this I will be.

For those of you who say it isn't about UT, I don't buy that one bit. Sure VY is awesome, but had he gone to Oklahoma and done the same things there, you guys would not be this passionate about him. Maybe some of you who grew up watching him at Madison, but had he not gone to UT this debate wouldn't be much of one.

Casserly said this morning that he is not so sure Tennessee will be drafting a QB either. Said they are working to get Mcnair a new contract and have Volek in there and think highly of him as well. Hell, VY may not even go in the top 5 and some of you are acting like its a no brainer for the Texans to pick him #1 Overall.

 

i can tell you i would have followed his career like crazy at the college level. and had he had the kind of season for the seminoles that he just had for the longhorns...with the very same rose bowl performances over the past 2 years...i'd still be saying the texans should take him. i went to see the guy play high school games. i was a fan from the first time i saw him scramble to avoid pressure in the backfield and launch a 45 yard pinpoint strike to a streaking receiver downfield. looked at my father and said, "wow." incidentally, i believe that was about a year before the Texans ever took the field.

 

I do too. He's one of the best players in the NBA. An all star. Of course i'd love to have him on the Rockets. They goofed. But then again, did they? If we had RL, I highly doubt we would have ever made the trade for Tmac. Blessing in disguise?

IF RL had been a bust would you still say you would have wanted him in houston? If VY becomes a pro bowl quarterback in the NFL in 5 years, then we can all say, "i'd like to have him on the Texans". Thats easy, by then we will know, but right now we don't.

 

I can say thats pretty much the reason I watch it. I watch the Rockets, Astros, Texans, and sometimes, UH b-ball. I rarely will watch any other teams, unless its because nothing else is on, or its the Super Bowl, finals, etc.

Its about home-town pride. I don't think its absurd to suggest thats the reason most fans follow certain teams. The fact they become attached to certain players is BECAUSE of home-town pride and georgraphical devotion.

 

It is at the level it was at prior to the strike. And that was in large part thanks to new parks. But your statement is fair.

 

1. wait...casserly said that? i'd have to open up a huge can of care on what casserly thinks for that to mean anything to me.

2. are these the same scouts/gms who passed on brady? or are these the scouts/gms who chose ryan leaf? no one is a no-brainer on the field. there is risk all the way around. the texans have a chance to do something very special here though...a chance to take a high-level talent who is already a hometown hero. chances like that don't come around often.

 

i'm not saying it's absurd.

it's also not absurd to root for teams that are home to your favorite players.

 

Chance, can you put a petition on the Pick Vince site and maybe have John and Lance give it a mention. It would be fun just to see what kind of numbers you could tally, not that it would mean anything.

Here's my deal again (briefly)

I lived and died with the career of Hakeem Olajuwon. I was totally invested in him as my sports hero because he was of local origin (to me), started sort of raw but you could see his superstar ability very early, he stayed tied to the community for most of his career and ultimately brought us a championship.

There is nothing in the world better than that and I want to do it again.
If you were a Rockets fan during The Dream era how can you not want to be a Texans fan during an In-Vince-able era.

( I could have included Petit/Clemmons/Berkman but didn't in the service of brevity)

 

Which is saying a lot, because entertainment-wise there is far more available today--for cheaper no less--than there was in 1994. The entertainment market is now flooded with viable options, and everybody's share has diminished because of it.

 

Well said.

However, you do realize you would represent an incredibly small percentage of people..

 

But I think the point is, the hometown part should be completely thrown out of the equation if you are trying to build a winning football team.