[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

got it. thanks.

 

Kubiak also said he would love to work with Carr and make him the superstar QB that he thinks Carr is capable of. . . However, Kubiak and McNair were careful to not come out and say that they decided on either player. I think this will come down to their meetings and workouts with RB and VY. I feel confident after meeting both players and seeing them in person VY will win out. It really doesn't matter what either Kubiak or McNair thinks or is leaning towards now. Reggietodd, I think you're just hearing what you want to hear from the news confrence.

 

To me, it sounds like it's either Bush or trade down, they're going to take their chances with Carr, which is fine. Carr has the skills, athleticism, and he's a smart dude, however, he has had 4 below average to average seasons, for whatever reason. I'm not sure if a quarterback has ever blown up after 4 bad consecutive bad seasons, but he can still be the next Steve Young, or he might be too shell shocked and become the next Rob Johnson, it's up to him.

 

They'll be replaying it around 3pm, you can listen to it online for free, here:
https://www.radiomat.com/register.php?action=register&station=KILTAM

 

Personally, I think he lacks the leadership to be a great quarterback in NFL. I don't know if its the shell-shock or what because he looked pretty good leading Fresno St. Having all the tools and being able to use them effectively (especially in clutch situations) are two different things.

 

They clearly expressed their views on the matter. Carr is their guy.

 

Being a good college player, and being a good NFL player are two different things too.

 

for the time being.

 

Again taking the blind eye approach.

 

Leadership is overrated, well maybe not overrated, but I don't think any of Peyton Manning's teammates really like him or consider him their leader, but he's still the bad ass quarterback. Carr's one personality flaw IMO is that he's not dedicated to football like a Manning, I heard him once on the radio say that he doesn't need to do any film work with teammates, he prefers to watch it with his son. He's a family man that probably treats football as a job, not his life, if Kubiak can get him to dedicate his life more to football he might improve by leaps and bounds next season, but it's not going to be easy to change his ways if that is the case.

There are no more clutch quarterbacks in the NFL outside of Tom Brady.

Anyway, the Texans are in a good and bad spot, this is the biggest decision they've ever had to make, by far the biggest, it will change the course of the franchise forever.

 

Forever might be a little extreme.

 

Blind eye?

I am sure the Texans have not committed to a plan before their new coach and staff even evaluates what they got and the potential draft picks haven’t even been evaluated for picking or trading potential.

It seems the only fans with a blind eye are those who completely refuse that all options should be on the table for the team coming off the worst record in the NFL. I don't know why is it so threatening to consider over the next couple of months whether Bush, VY, Leinart, DBrick or Carr should be in the Texans long-term plans. The only people threatened by it are those adamant against VY being a Texan.

Leadership IMO is the primary reason seperating Tom Brady and his 3 superbowls from Peyton and his 0.

 

Carr is obviously in the Texans plans. Kubiak said that he was brought here to elevate Carr's game to where they know it could be. You don't draft two QB's #1 in a span of 4 years. This team has holes, and you wouldn't be plugging up any in you draft Young. Those of you who are adamant that Young is a Texan, are so for the wrong reasons. Local product and Longhorn should be taken out of the equation. This the NFL, not a Houston sandlot team. You get the player that will make your team the best. Getting a QB that wouldn't play for two years doesn't do that. Getting another offensive threat, a pass rushing defensive end, or a big play linebacker does.

 

I am not saying they absolutely should take VY. But he sure likes the kind of athlete you don't want to miss out on, you would think you would want to fully check it out. You wouldn't not evaluate John Elway as a prospect you can draft because you have, say, potentially, a Danny White or Brad Johnson already playing QB.

Evaluate them. If VY doesn't stick out like a sore thumb among prospects and your own 4 years older QB, sure, move on with other plans.

 

He might stick out, but no further than Reggie Bush will. Plus Bush fills a need. QB isn't a need. Kubiak feels that David Carr can be a "Bigtime QB" or at least an efficient one. If he believes that, then there is no need for another #1 pick taking up a spot at QB. You go with the other prospect that also sticks out like a sore thumb and fills a position of need.

 

I didn't know we were in such need of a RB, oh that's right, we don't.

 

There's no rule that says you can't draft two QBs #1 in a 4 year period , it isn't a bad omen or anything is it? cuz I've never heard of it . Anyways. . . we DON'T have a hole at running back either. DD is a good running back, just like Carr can can be a good QB. Bush doesn't fill a need, what we need are linemen on defense and offense. I don't think Bush is any more of an upgrade from DD than VY is from Carr. I've always believed the smart move would be to trade down and get a good deal to really improve the team. But since it seems like we're keeping the pick I'd rather take VY who I believe will have a much bigger upside and eventual impact than Reggie Bush.

 

This Cutler guy is getting a ton of buzz. I think it was in November where Howie Long (I think it was him) proclaimed this guy as being the next Brett Favre. He could be making this draft much more interesting.


http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/insider/columns/story?columnist=mortensen_chris&id=2307306

Cutler looks like top QB in draft
Insider
Mortensen
By Chris Mortensen
ESPN.com

Let's get something straight right off the mark. This is not a knock against Matt Leinart or Vince Young. This also is not a knock against my colleague and friend Mel Kiper Jr., our ESPN draft scout, who does a terrific job.

However, this I'm pretty sure about: Jay Cutler of Vanderbilt is the best quarterback available for the NFL draft come April.

I am not alone. A bunch of NFL scouts are whispering the same thing during Senior Bowl week in Mobile, Ala. Some of those even will put out some "negatives" on Cutler deliberately in hopes that he'll drop a little in the draft. It's not going to work.

"It's not even worth trying to downgrade the kid ... hoping he slides," one top personnel director said. "The secret is out."

I have felt for almost a year now that Cutler is the best quarterback prospect, and nothing has changed my mind. If anything, he has even solidified his standing now that I've had the pleasure and benefit of personally seeing him play in the Southeastern Conference.

Jay Cutler
Lori Young/ESPN.com
Could Jay Cutler end up getting drafted before Vince Young and Matt Leinart?

Cutler was the All-SEC first-team quarterback selected by coaches and the media. He was the preseason pick, too. Heck, he was a first-team All-SEC choice as a redshirt freshman.

You know how difficult that is when you play at Vanderbilt in a conference with many of the nation's heavyweights?

A West Coast scout for one of the NFL's top personnel departments supported this notion in November after he did some cross-checking on the SEC quarterbacks.

"It can't be fun playing quarterback in the SEC," the scout said. "I mean, most of the teams are five and six deep at cornerback -- it's not even close when you compare it to the Pac-10. The speed on defense across the SEC is ridiculous. The defensive coordinators, well, some of them should be coaching in the NFL. Some of them have, in fact. Playing quarterback in the SEC is a task. Playing it well every week is a bigger task."

This scout (remember, a West Coast-assigned personnel man) marveled at Cutler's performance with inferior personnel around him.

"Unbelievably competitive with the physical skills to back it up," the scout said.

Cutler's similarities to Brett Favre are uncanny, except Cutler is far ahead of Favre in the mental aspects of the game at the same career stage. Cutler probably has the strongest arm in this draft. He has moxie. He has a swagger. As Favre did at Southern Mississippi, Cutler had Vandy winning games it had no business winning and competing in games in which the Commodores should have been blown out. As with Favre, his gunslinger mentality will get him in the doghouse with some NFL coach but the upside is way too high to let it bring him down. Oh, he never got his team to a bowl appearance? Neither did John Elway.

"Jay Cutler is special, like Elway and Favre," Bus Cook said.

Cook is supposed to say that. He is Cutler's agent. Oh, he also represents Favre and the Titans' Steve McNair, all three of them good ol' Mississippi men. Don't ask me how Cutler joined that club -- he hails from Santa Claus, Ind. It will be Christmas for any team that lands him.

The Titans, picking third in the draft, could be that team -- if Cutler gets past the New Orleans Saints at No. 2. Titans general manager Floyd Reese has noted that Cutler is a blend of Leinart and Young. He's a terrific pocket passer like Leinart but with much greater arm strength. He's athletic enough to make plays out of the pocket, although Young is certainly a better athlete, just without Cutler's arm strength.

Arm strength is not the only measure of a quarterback, as everyone knows. But it's probably more important in today's NFL than ever before. For instance, defensive coordinators are talking about how tough it is to defend the Steelers' Ben Roethlisberger because he can throw it "outside the numbers" so well, meaning he has the arm to deliver the deep outs.

Leinart is clearly smart. Titans offensive coordinator Norm Chow, his former USC mentor, talks glowingly of how "everything runs on time" when Leinart is behind center.

Yet, in today's NFL, the clock is running faster than ever once the ball is snapped. The idea that a quarterback has a chance to go through his first, second and third progressions while he drops back is basically a myth. The throwing windows are tighter than ever on about 75 percent of the passes a quarterback must deliver. The RPMs matter in a quarterback's throws. There are some doubts about the ability of Leinart and Young to throw it through those closing windows consistently.

Take Cutler's arm, his smarts, his moxie, his toughness and his athleticism, and you have a pretty good model quarterback. To downgrade him because you see a few errant balls during Senior Bowl week is silly because these guys are working in a strange offense with new receivers.

Put Cutler in USC's offense and Leinart in Vanderbilt's offense the past couple of years and imagine what would have happened.

True, Leinart and Young have much more notoriety and the draft projections have them as the stars of the draft, along with USC running back Reggie Bush. But that's where a lot of people in and out of the NFL go shallow.

Cutler was almost bypassed in college recruiting out of high school before choosing Vanderbilt. That wasn't his fault. Somebody missed. It happens a lot. As I've stated many times, the NFL spends millions of dollars on scouting and still gets it wrong more than 50 percent of the time on quarterbacks. So why would it surprise you that colleges would fare even worse?

One of the best players in Super Bowl XL is Seahawks linebacker Lofa Tatupu, who should have been the hands-down selection for NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year. You know how many Division I scholarship offers he had coming out of high school? None.

Yes, it's early to be talking about the draft. But it's Senior Bowl week, and I've almost never been more excited about the draft than I am about the one coming up in April. The complaint last year is that it was a weak top-10 class. This year, it's ridiculously strong. You have three quarterbacks in Cutler, Leinart and Young. You have a future Marshall Faulk type in Bush; his rushing mate LenDale White might be another Jamal Lewis. D'Brickashaw Ferguson could be a future Pro Bowl left tackle. North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams could be another Julius Peppers. Ohio State middle linebacker A.J. Hawk could be another Ray Lewis, and Maryland tight end Vernon Davis could be another Tony Gonzalez.

Yes, I know I'm leaving somebody out.

Don't be shocked if Cutler is the first quarterback taken in the draft. It's not a lock, but Leinart and Young could go behind him. Regardless, I'm not sure that's a negative on either one of those guys, anyway.

In Cutler, maybe we have another Favre or Elway. In Leinart, we might have another Steve Young (minus the athleticism). In Vince Young, he's not Michael Vick fast, but he is 6-5, he is competitive and he is an intriguing prospect.

I'd like to think that there's something for everybody, except there are always busts. I just know the one guy I'd buy stock in right now is Cutler.

 

who say's we're in need of a quarterback?

how about a decent OL?

 

Well, things around here would be a lot calmer that's for sure. I simply cannot believe the amount of Vince hysteria that's going on out there. And the 610 SportsRadio talking heads are certainly fanning the flames. Poor Kubiak couldn't even draw a breath before being asked about the no. 1 pick. I'm beginning to feel that no matter what happens the poor guy (Gary or Vince - take your pick) will never be able to live up to expectations.