[Official] Reggie Bush or Someone else -- Vince Young out of running

I am not for the jersey being retired since he didn't return. But didn't Barry Sanders only have 1 great year at OSU? Is he considered one of the best ever college players. VY put on one of the best seasons ever, and the best game I have seen with the kind of pressure and talent on the other side. So in my mind he is one of the best college players ever, I wouldn't trade Daynes 4 years for VY's 20 game stretch, certainly.

I have never seen Sayers or Brown for full games, so I can't really talk about them. Most football historians consider both among the best ever at their peak, a few say anyone was better than Brown despite Barry, Emmitt and Walter having a lot more cumulative yards.

But no, I don't think Barry was the dominant force Earl was in his prime. If you want to win football games, of the players I have seen over the course of games give me Earl or Payton for sure over Barry, and maybe Emmitt, Faulk or Dickerson before Barry as well. Barry was a great, special player, but I'll take consistent 1st downs and relentless pressure on the defense over a few spectacular plays per game.

As for Reggie Bush, I have seen lots of better college backs. Hershel, Dickerson, Bo Jackson, Marshall Faulk, Ricky Williams (yes he was a better more dominant college football player, RW was a more dynamic version of LenDale White, who was good enough to split Bush’s carries evenly). I didn’t see much of Edge, LT, Thurman, Sanders or Jammal Lewis, they could have been better too as college players, but I am not in a position to say. Also, Dorsett, Earl, Simms and Allen I only remember from the pros, but suspect they were better than Bush too.

[BTW this part not specifically targeted to Kas]
So all this talk Bush is the best RB prospect in 30 years is such a load of bullcaca, more than any claim I have heard about VY. VY may not be an Elway or Montana in the pros, but as a college QB yes he had as long stretch of games where he played as well as any college player I have ever seen (not perfect throughout, but nor was Elway/Montana in the pros and I think they are the best 2 ever). His stats show it (combined yards, QB rating), record shows it (didn't lose over that stretch), and anyone not clouded or tramatized in their brain saw it. Heck even Lloyd Carr and Pete Carroll said it--but I guess if you try hard enough and are jaded enough you can discount them as well.

 

OK, you show me somewhere I said something about VY not being a good QB... Oh, wait.. You can't.

He's not right for the Texans. That's what I've said.

 

And you question my prediction and you want me to take your opinion of VY seriously?

 

Where does it mention VY? That was trash talking right before the game.

Again, the VY bashing I did. What? You can't find it? Didn't think so.

Next.

 

This part of your post alone should be a sticky, the only other college player that I can think of that reminded me of VY, was Bo Jackson, and I think Vince was better because he does more things.

DD

 

Marry him, please.

 

Oh, VY is good but you think Tech will beat him by 50.

Oh, your prediction was so on target.

Oh, bow down to the mighty FFB.

Yeah, right

 

He was just talking trash before the game. There is no way in hell he really thought tech would beat texas by 50

 

Unfortunatly this is how most people remember Barry Sanders. I remember it differently. I remember Barry playing behind some offensive lines that were comparable to the Texans OL of 2005. Still he WAS the definition of "relentless pressure on the defense". The fact that he could easily be the all time leading rusher with how bad some of the OL he played behind should make you realize that he was as good or better than any RB ever.

To mr Peyton and Sanders are by far the best ever. The thing that seperates them from the rest is longjevity and of course production. Despite playing with poor supporting casts and playing mostly with really bad teams. What they did was special.

 

To me this is a no brainer. I like both of them alot, there even IMO. they should both be good pros. Its funny how everyone has picked a side and have tuned so negative about the other. We need whats best for the team and that makes this alot easier than most of you want to make it. The best thing to do would be to draft Reggie Bush the higher rated player.

Then you wait and see if Young is still there at #4. If he is there you give the Jets a call. See what they will give you for a Carr/Bush package. If they make the right kind of offer, say for instence Bush/Carr for their #1, their second round pick, next years number one and maybe a player that could help, you make the trade. If hes not thereor the Jets offer isnt good enough you just drafted one of the highest rated RB's in history

Its a win win win situation. This should make any real Texan fan happy because were taking advantage of our situatio to better the team and still getting worst case scenerio the top rated player in the draft. This is coming from a VY supporter. I have been wathing the draft for a really long time and want us to draft VY more than any other player I have ever seen come out. Only Hershall Walker or Bo Jackson stood out to me or had as impressive college careers IMO.

 

Agreed, and to take your arguement a step further. Who was Sanders QB? Eric Kramer and Scott Mithcell. Another thing Bush is already (at age 21) bigger than Sander was. With regard to your trade idea, Carr plus Bush would be way to much to give up for the 4th and their second rounder. To me if you want to give up the top pick in the draft we would need to get a first this year, either a second or third this year, and a first next year. I think because of the Bush, VY, Leinart trifecta the top pick in this year's draft has ALOT of value, especially when you factor in the number of teams that need a QB (Mia, NO, Oak, NYJ, Arz, Buf ect..). Additionally we would take a stiff cap hit in trading Carr, so I would think it would take a decent offer to get Carr - not because he had a stellar year, but because of the cap hit you would take. I wonder if Denver would give one of their first rounders for Carr. I would take him anyday over Plummer.

 

Does anyone know if this thread has become the all-timer at CFnet? Or is the TMac to H-town thread still the champ? Kinda weird to have a football thread be #1 on basketball site, no?

BTW, after watching the Rose Bowl again and again and reading these posts, I still think it would be in the Texans best interest to take Bush, no, make that Young, no wait, Bush, change that to Young. Yes, today it's definitely a Young day. As for tomorrow...

 

Just yesterday I was listening to Dan Patrick on ESPN radio (I don't usually listen to Dan Patrick since I'm usually at work at the time), and he had Randy Moss on. He asked Moss who he thought was the top 5 recievers in the NFL today. Naturally he put himself at #1 (Dan was trying to get him to put Steve Smith at #1). He went on to list T.O. at #2, Steve Smith #3 (correct me if I'm wrong), and Chad Johnson and AJ interchangeable at #4 and #5. My heart swelled with pride that AJ was finally get some respect on the air . Of course Dan was surprised that he rated AJ so highly, then of course asked Randy if he was the Texans management what would he do? His answer: Draft Vince Young, it'll give AJ more time to get wide open .

No, Randy Moss isn't a scout. . . Yes, he can be a bit of a nutcase, but he knows more about football and the NFL than most fans and TV/radio analysts. Just another vote of confidence for the incredible VY .

 

Especially if it's about Vince Young or UT.

 

But it is OK for you guys to take an isolated post what 2 years ago right after a tough loss and try to make something of it. I still don't even know your point. That I was uncertain about VY as a QB and Brown/staff as tactical coaches before the 20+ game stretch they had? Heck yeah that stretch of play changed my mind--particularly about VY. The games he had passing and running, the stats, the remarkable athleticism. Anyone who didn't change his perception of VY either was a complete homer (always thought he was a brilliant player) and complete hater.

On the Sanders issue. He was a great, great player. I think you can a great case he is 3rd best all time behind Brown and Payton. Personally, if I was building a team to win the superbowl I'd take Earl or Emmitt over him--more 1st down between the tackles churners. I think there strengths are better suited to building a dominant team. I recogonize others may have a different perspective and don't have a problem if you think Sanders is better than these two, you could put OJ in there too.

 

The point is that you love Vince NOW and he is a leader NOW. Just a Year and a half ago you were throwing him under a bus and saying he was not a leader. So it does not matter what you say now, even I say that he is good now. You just jumped on the bandwagon and all your analysis means of him means nothing because as soon as he starts messing up again you will say he sucks

 

Maybe about being a wide receiver, but not more about football.

 

We are not drafting a quarterback with the #1 overall pick. I'd bet my house on this.

 

Couldn't agree with you more on the change in VY perception...and I'm a diehard Aggie! Before that stretch, I thought VY was an amazing athlete with not much potential as a QB beyond college. He has come so far in that stretch that I'm not only glad to eat my words, but there's no way I could bet against him fulfilling the rest of his potential. Quickly even.

As for the historical RB's, of all the ones I've SEEN, I'd take Earl, flat out, period, no contest. I was alive but too young to remember seeing Brown or Sayers, but from that point on, no disrespect to all the other greats, Earl had everything and GAVE everything on every play. As a consequence his career was over much too soon to pile up numbers like those who played longer.

On Sanders' dancing too much...I gotta go with the much used line...just give him Emmitt's line and watch what he could've done straight ahead. Shoot, just imagine what Dorsett could've piled up firing through the holes with Emmitt's line!

 

I honestly believe that Kubiak is leaning towards Bush (after the recent positive comments about Carr), but when he has the chance to sit down with both of the players, he will know who is best for the team.