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The Google Double Standard - Stands up to US govt, caves to ChiComs

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  1. gwayneco

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    COMMUNIST GOOGLE

    Google is making a lot of waves in the headlines lately. For good reason, it has refused a Justice Department demand to hand over the records of millions of searches to the government. The information would have revealed tons of data about Google users, perhaps a bit more than we want to share. It was a good publicity stunt, as Microsoft and Yahoo had given in immediately. I know I was happy with it; I don’t want to the government prying into my and millions of others’ privacy just so that it can theoretically nab a couple of criminals. Score one for them.

    But now a new controversy is emerging. Google has just announced that it will be starting operations in China, a growing superpower with no limits on how far it will go to suppress information. Apparently that’s something that Google and Microsoft can agree with, because Google gave the OK to self-censor thousands of terms and web sites, including blog services. Microsoft has been notorious for its censorship of dissident voices, along with terms like “democracy” and “Tiananmen Square.” In light of the recent spat with the U.S. government, one might think that Google would try challenging the power of governments everywhere who tried to invade upon the rights of its citizens. I guess not.

    SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Web search leader Google Inc. said on Tuesday that it was introducing a new service for China that seeks to avoid a confrontation with the government by restricting access to services to which users contribute such as e-mail, chat rooms and blogs.

    The new Chinese service at http://www.google.cn will offer a self-censored version of Google’s popular search system that restricts access to thousands of terms and Web sites.

    Hot topics might include issues like independence for Taiwan or Tibet or outlawed spiritual group Falun Gong.

    In seeking to compete more aggressively in the world’s second biggest Internet market — where Google has lost ground to a more popular home-grown search company Baidu Inc. — the company is facing the toughest challenge yet to its corporate mantra of “don’t do evil.”

    In a compromise that trades off Google’s desire to provide universal access to information in order to exist within local laws, Google will not offer its Gmail e-mail service, Web log publishing services or chat rooms — tools of self-expression that could be used for political or social protest.

    Instead, it said it would initially offer four of its core services — Web site and image search, Google News and local search — while working toward introducing additional services over time.

    “Other products — such as Gmail and Blogger — will be introduced only when we are comfortable that we can do so in a way that strikes a proper balance among our commitments to satisfy users’ interests, expand access to information, and respond to local conditions,” the company said in a statement.


    As the article mentions, the corporate mantra is “Don’t do evil.” It looks as if there is a limit to that. Google will resist the U.S. government, but won’t stand up in any way to China? Judging by its actions at home, one would think Google to be a pioneer in bringing access to information and resisting attempts from governments to repress it or monitor it. This says that isn’t the case, and it makes me wonder — just a little — what its motivation is to resisting the U.S. government and giving in to the Chinese. Perhaps they should change their motto to, “It’s just business.”

    Robert Mayer @ 6:11 pm |
     
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  2. insane man

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    isn't there one significant difference? its one thing to limit the amount of information and another to share perhaps personal information to the gov't.

    i dont know where the balance is. but i know there is an improtant distinction between what google is doing with the DOJ and china.
     
  3. Major

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    Perhaps the motivation between making different decisions on different issues is that the fact that they are different issues. Strange, huh?
     
  4. Space Ghost

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    greed. very disappointing.
     
  5. Major

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    Yup. Getting into a PR war with the US government and possibly into an extended legal battle instead of just caving on an issue that wouldn't have even made the news had Google not declined to provide the info (did you know Yahoo and MSN provided it weeks ago?) is a huge boost for Google. Their stock only dropped 8% the day that came to light. Definitely greed.
     
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    "The Google Double Standard - Stands up to US govt, caves to ChiComs"

    Boycott google, or chicom, or both.
     
  7. geeimsobored

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    I suppose you'd have to boycott all internet portals. They all gave up info to China and all (except google) caved in to the US government.
     
  8. bigtexxx

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    I feel sorry for the people of China who have to put up with the government censorship. Pretty pathetic and frankly, the government's paranoia says a lot about the way they operate over there.

    It's hard to take the people of China's opinions seriously when they are not able to access the full spectrum of news on many issues.
     
  9. insane man

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    many would say the same about those who use the mainstream media in the US...
     
  10. SamFisher

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    Regardless of what google does in china, what bearing in any possible way does it have to do with the protection of its (completely different and unrelated) legal rights in the US? :confused:


    This is so so stupid it needs no response, but I'm sure this moronic theory will tear up the right wing hype-osphere for like...hours, if not days. This is far from over
     
  11. Grizzled

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    As a side note, this kind of anti-communist rhetoric from the US right is pretty amusing these days, considering that Bush’s greatest ally, Tony Blair, is a socialist. :eek:
     
  12. mc mark

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    gwayneco you should sell all the Google stock you own. That'll show em.'
     
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    Google did different things to different governments, but following one simple same principle: complying with local law. And yes, American consitution protects civil right and privacy better than Chinese law. But I guess the movement is on, to make it closer to Chinese counterpart.

    To borrow a quote from a famous poster here, and modify one word:

    I feel sorry for the people of Any Country who have to put up with the government censorship. Pretty pathetic and frankly, the government's paranoia says a lot about the way they operate over there.
     
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    Tony Blair is in the Labor Party, the Socialist have there own party. Thank You please drive through...
     
  15. bigtexxx

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    Actually I'm seriously considering shorting the **** out of this stock. They're rapidly losing the support of the "early adopters" of all things internet, and I've thought their stock has been majorly overvalued for a while. The bigger they get, the more they will be considered "the man" as opposed to the up and coming company that can take down the big boys like Microsoft. There was a great article in the Journal yesterday that talked about the rise of new search engines such as del.icio.us that base their searches on user defined tags. I think google's days as the internet favorite are numbered.
     
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    Probably not a bad idea.
     
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    It definitely is a money thing. If Google hands over info to the US gov, people won't want to use their service anymore. They are in the business of collecting information and I believe when the time comes they will have database which people will pay billions for.

    As for China, its either enter their market, or not at all. The gov runs the show there, so they would rather have a presence with restrictions, than nothing. Even with the censorship, as time goes on, having an internet is better for the social development than none at all. Furthermore, I think it is illogical to equate the handing over of private information to the government with censorship of hot-button terms.
     
  18. Invisible Fan

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    People already do.
     
  19. insane man

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    pray tell why aol, microsoft, and yahoo dont have such simple logic ingrained in their head?
     
  20. Grizzled

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    The Labour Party, and the name is the first clue, is a socialist party, and further it is a member of an international organisation of socialist parities called the Socialist International. I hate to break it to you, but your president is in bed with socialists. :eek::eek:
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(UK)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_International

    ;)
     

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