1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

[RUMOR] Carr to Dolphins for Ricky Williams and 3rd round pick

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Drewdog, Jan 10, 2006.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. hoang17

    hoang17 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2002
    Messages:
    489
    Likes Received:
    8
    So you're telling me that Carroll didn't want to hurt Lendale White's career so that's why he split the carries evenly. You gotta be kidding me. White should've been Bush's backup if Bush is the best player (RB) on that team. Then when Bush declares (like this year), White would return for his senior season and tear it up, making a name for himself. You have to admit them splitting carries speaks volumes on if Bush is actually that much better than White.

    And if somebody brings up the Auburn situation with Cadallic and Ronnie Brown, this is not an accurate comparison. Cadillac and Brown were comparable too each other in talent. That's why they split carries. That's why the were both top 10 picks in the draft. So are you making the same assessment that Bush and White have the same amount of talent? Bush is the supposed "Heisman" trophy winner given to the best college football player in the nation. He shouldn't of split any carries with White if he was the best. Period.
     
  2. Simon Honeybone

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    231
    Likes Received:
    45
    To further illustrate the B12's dominance of the P10 consider the following...
    If the B12 going 2-0 against the P10 during bowl season isn't enough we blew the P10's doors off in the other games too as a whole especially when you take into account expectations.

    The P10s bowl wins detailed... favored in all, 1/2 of the conference went bowling.

    P10 5th place vs. Big East 4th place failed to cover spread by a large margin, opponent in first bowl since 1978.
    P10 4th place vs. Mtn West 2nd place should have covered easily but went to sleep in the 4th quarter resulting in a push.
    P10 3rd place vs. BT1e1n 5th place, won handily but B10 teams entering bowl season at 7-4 (4 teams) left at 7-5 including a 10 point favorite (Mich). The lone P10 team to cover was the other team from LA.

    So there you have it the P10 went 3-2 (60%) straight up but lost the 2 bowls worth a damn and posted 2 entirely unimpressive wins along the way. Per the talking heads at ESPN the greatest conference on earth underachieved pretty significantly going 1-3-1 ATS. The poor B12 didn’t stand a chance in either game against the mighty P10.

    The B12's bowl season was the polar opposite. Not only did the conference send 2/3 of its teams but those teams went 5-3 (62.5%) despite expectations that they were going to go 2-6. Texas Tech was the only favorite to lose and 4 dogs won in Nebraska, Missouri, Oklahoma, & Texas. If you took the B12 teams you made out like a bandit as they got no respect. Kansas covered by 26 points, Nebraska by 15.5 points, Missouri by 11 points, Texas by 10.5 points, Oklahoma by 6 points, & Colorado covered by 1.5 points. Iowa State was a push & Texas Tech fell 5.5 points short. 6-1-1 is an awesome record and proves the B12 was underrated this season as the teams beat up on each other. Half of the dirty dozen covered by at least 10 points making the bets pretty safe too.

    The Big 12 was down compared to past years but it wasn't chopped liver like everyone had written them off as Texas was just that much better this year because of Vince Young. Just look at his stats compared to Mike Vick who was the #1 pick over LaDanian Tomlinson and it is no comparison. Saying Mike Vick is a poor man's Vince Young is pretty accurate. To tilt the scales in Vince's favor even more you could certainly argue that the Big 12 was stiffer competition than the Big Least where you realistically had only Miami to deal with as legit competition.

    I'd be pleasantly surprised if Reggie Bush can give LaDanian Tomlinson (5th pick) level productivity whereas I expect Vince Young to outperform Mike Vick.
     
  3. Yao Wink

    Yao Wink Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2003
    Messages:
    847
    Likes Received:
    0
    Carr trade denied in print

    MIAMI - Fan websites continue to churn the idea of Houston QB David Carr being traded to the Dolphins in exchange for a package of RB Ricky Williams and either a first-, second- or third-round pick.

    While there is some logic to the idea - the Texans could then take Houston native and Texas star QB Vince Young with the No. 1 overall pick - there's one really big problem.

    Do the Dolphins want to pay $24.5 million over the next three years for Carr? That's the basic price. The breakdown is this: There are two options in Carr's contract. The first is that the Texans can pay him a $5.5 million bonus on Feb. 19 and then pay him base salaries of $5 million this year and $5.25 million in 2007. That's $15.75 million for two years.

    The second is that Carr gets an $8 million bonus on Feb. 19 and base salaries of $5.25 million this year, $5.25 million in 2007 and $6 million in 2008. That's $24.5 million for three years. Neither price is appetizing for a guy who has a lot of potential but not much in results during his first four years.

    The Texans could also not pick up the option and simply designate Carr as the team's franchise player. But that move only decreases his value because it means that a team acquiring Carr would have him on only a one-year deal.

    In short, as one NFL executive said recently: ``The contract isn't tradable.''
     
  4. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    129,040
    Likes Received:
    39,511
    You never know.....if the Dolphins thought he was coming into his own...ala Steve Young from Tampa Bay...they might take him.

    DD
     
  5. JayZ750

    JayZ750 Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2000
    Messages:
    25,432
    Likes Received:
    13,390
    If the Dolphins, who are in desperate need of a quarterback, have overachieved, at this point are thought to have a better than average staff, etc., aren't willing to pay Carr's salary, why should we....just something to think about.
     
  6. The Cat

    The Cat Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2000
    Messages:
    20,823
    Likes Received:
    5,366
    Because it's not as simple as signing him for that... in addition to taking him for that price, they'd have to give up Ricky Williams and a third round pick, both legitimate assets. They also haven't seen Carr in practice and don't have nearly as much history to use in making a judgment on his value.
     
  7. JayZ750

    JayZ750 Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2000
    Messages:
    25,432
    Likes Received:
    13,390
    Just basing it on that piece, though...that isn't the BIG problem. The BIG problem is his salary.
     
  8. gr8-1

    gr8-1 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 1999
    Messages:
    7,918
    Likes Received:
    4
    Nope. Texas's OL, like every other unit on the football team is barely average. UT just played a weak schedule.
     
  9. gucci888

    gucci888 Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    17,227
    Likes Received:
    6,573
    Are you serious?
     
  10. mogrod

    mogrod Member

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2003
    Messages:
    4,257
    Likes Received:
    322
    LOL, what!!? I don't really follow college sports, let alone college football, so I can't really say how their team compares to others, but they DID win the championship against arguable THE BEST team in the country. How is that "barely average"?

    I hate to be rude, but that is probably THE dumbest thing I have ever seen posted on here.
     
  11. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2001
    Messages:
    6,516
    Likes Received:
    2,182
    [​IMG]
     
  12. Harrisment

    Harrisment Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2001
    Messages:
    15,392
    Likes Received:
    2,158
    I think you're joking.....aren't you?

    If not I agree that is the dumbest thing I've ever read here. And I've seen a lot of BS in my day.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now