OK all this Young Bush talk and folx using the VICK Trade as a prototype got me to thinking. . . . Everyone seems to indicate that Atlanta may have gotten the worse end of the deal. I don't think so. I decided to check the teams' fortunes since that draft This is what I have found. Atlanta 8 8 2005 11 5 2004 [NFC Championship rd] 5 11 2003 9 6 1 2002 [2nd rd] 7 9 2001 [VICK DRAFT YR] [Vick/Crumpler] 5 11 1999 Did Not Make Playoffs 14 2 1998 Lost to Denver in Super Bowl 7 9 1997 3 13 1996 San Diego 9 7 2005 12 5 2004 [Wild Card] 4 12 2003 8 8 2002 5 11 2001 [VICK DRAFT YEAR] [LT/Brees] 1 15 0 2000 8 8 0 1999 5 11 0 1998 4 12 0 1997 8 8 0 1996 I don't know. I think Atlanta would do it again in a New York Minute Rocket River
AFC has been a tougher conference since the trade... way tougher. Judging by record and playoff appearances they look about equal. But ask anyone and they'll tell you LT > Vick. Chargers got the Hall of Famer.
I seriously doubt Atlanta is too pissed about their choice Vick has taken his team further than LT and BREES More Playoffs Appearences etc the . . NFC is weak thing is a weak argument Rocket River if it don't work in the NBA . .it don't work here
Care to elaborate, Mr. River? Should have made this a poll. Who got the better of the Vick/LT deal? Which conference over the past 4 years has been more dominant? I think LT and the AFC would win that hands down.
no need for a poll . . polls are just opinions and most folx here simply don't like Vick because he does not fit their tidy little mold of what a QB should be and would vote against him no matter what Vick and his crew have done more than LT and his crew As JVG would say . . .you are what your record says you are. All kinds of justifications and stuff doesn't matter ATL have enjoyed Vick and his leadership While San Diego . . hasn't accomplished anything except letting LT make alot of PERSONAL accomplishments Rocket River
LT is a better player than Vick. Vick still struggles mightily as a passer. You can't judge a player solely by the wins and losses of his team. But I guess you think Emmitt Smith is better than Barry Sanders, RR. Seems to me that you want to draft Vince Young so you will come up with any argument to support that position.
If you're going by records since the draft: Falcons: 40-39-1 Chargers: 38-42 Falcons, maginally better record in a significantly weaker conference (moan all you want, it's the truth.. but to their credit, the NFC South is one of the tougher NFC divisions at least). Football, more than ANY other sport, is a team game.. and guess what, the Falcons have had a decent defense for years, the Chargers, however, have not. Nor did they even have a compotent QB until last year. One RB can't do it all, and neither can a QB. If you think people will vote against him because they don't like running QBs, then well, that is your perogative, but I vote on football ability. Running, passing, leadership, etc, etc. Same with RBs, LT does a lot of untraditional things as an RB, including throwing for 3-4 TDs a year..
both are gamebreakers. SD organization has put better pieces around LT tho, imo. I'd personally take Vick over LT.
Atlanta didn't trade Vick for LT, they traded the 5th pick for the 1st(plus Dwight and another pick). Atlanta wouldn't have taken LT because they had Jamaal Anderson coming back from inury(or so they thought). It's a pointless discusion.
i think you all know how i feel about vick. the most overrated pro football player there is. having said that..if you look at VY and see Mike Vick, you're not looking past skin color.
I don't buy the Win-Loss argument when comparing individual players from different teams. One key that is often overlooked is that in Vick's first year to start full time, ATL brought in Warrick Dunn. In Vicks third year in which he got hurt Dunn was also injured for a significant amount of time. You could just a well say Dunn as is as big of a factor in winning games as Vick if you want to look at W-L when they actually play. They both had similar production in the playoffs as well. Vick is an exciting player to watch but it doesn't make up for the fact that he is one of the worst passing QBs in the league and does not show any signs of improvement. His running skills are quite impressive but I don't think its worth having to deal with such a poor passer. Considering that SD picked up one of the best (if not the best) RB in the game and were able to still pick up better QB than Vick in the second round I would have to say that the trade was beneficial to them.
SD is getting great pass production SD is getting great run production ATL is getting great run production ATL can't pass to save their lives
218 yds a game is great? I would think having the 12th ranked passing attack puts you almost exlactly in the middle of the road This isn't true. Atlanta had its problems for sure, but your telling me 50 yards a game is the difference between "great" and "can't pass to save their lives"?
you may be right about SD's passing attack. Atlanta can't pass when they have to. Stack the line and make him beat you with his arm. He can't.
While I'm waiting for you to somehow turn this into a race issue, I don't understand how you can possibly say this. Since Jan. 4th, this whole damn BBS has been SATURATED by posters screaming their heads off that the Texans need to draft Vince Young, a quarterback that fits the Michael Vick mold closer than anyone since Vick has come out. I know that you know that, because I've seen you in the Texans, Astros, etc forum discussing it. Yet somehow, when it comes to Vick, no one likes that type of QB anymore? You blow things off as invalid points without even arguing them. The AFC being much stronger is a VERY relevant point, especially since you brought the playoffs into the discussion. But, since it is the only way you can explain people disagreeing with your opinion, somehow everyone is biased against Michael Vick and players of his type (except Vince Young).
good point...i may be the biggest VY supporter there is. but i'm also the biggest Vick critic here, as well.
If you compare the criticism (all cannon no touch, leadership and ability to read defenses questions) Mike Vick and John Elway look very similar the early part of their careers except that Vick's team was won a lot more. I am not saying Vick will be as good as Elway, but it is way too soon to write off Vick. Coaching and talent changes around him could make a world of difference. I'd say right now the trade looks good for both SD and Atl. Interesting who also was picked after Vick (#1) but before LT (#5)--Leonard Davis T, Gerard Warren DT and Justin Smith DE. The LT pick looks great, but the Vick pick doesn't look too bad either now does it.
